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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:55 am

tirpassion wrote:
dev wrote:Since the forum is a family one and kids may frequent it, I would like to decline ROTFL . But you two look great, HVJ1 you are close to what I imagined but Tir is very different. Anyway the GVM gang will meet on Saturday.


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You did not expect a bald man in me I bet ROTFL
Oh that! No i hadn't thought that you were so lean. As far as the follicles go, thought you had shaved em to give you an edge while muzzle loading. :idea:

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:34 pm

brihacharan wrote:
hvj1 wrote: Here are a few photos with Tirpassion. AGN please post your photos too.

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Dear hvji et al,
Back in Mumbai. What an experience way back home ! All the photos were snapped on tirpassion's camera. Tirpassion could you please post one of mine, either the group one or the one with Rambo ? Two days in Mumbai now before the wanderlust takes me away ... Thx.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:41 pm

jitu sati wrote:hey hvj and tir nice seeing my gurujan for the first time albeit only in photographs that is the good part
now for the hard part. the gvm is over. here is what i went through. i would like to know what exactly happened to me.
reached delhi on 7th night. got the wpn control done on 8th. sat and observed one complete shoot just to get myself in the comp mode. went back to the hotel. in the evening did 60 holds. prepared myself
i reached the range in the morning at 0930 as my shoot was scheduled at 1145. i went and got myself registered for the shoot. then went to the blank wall and did my holds after shoulder rotation, neck rotation and hip rotation etc. went for the shoot after that. and this is what happened in the shoot
was feeling good and relaxed. did my dry firing during the prac time. the SOA was seeming ok. then sighters started. right from the first shot there seemed to be hesitation in the trigger finger. i said it will go after some time. could shoot a few tens and 9s and generally seemed ok. took my time. took 20 sighters. at the end of the sighters noticed that the shoulder seemed to stiffen a bit and the trigger finger became even more sluggish. i guessed it was match pressure and continued. the first shot when i pressed the match button seemed to take eternity. i cancelled the shot. told myself to concentrate on the SOA. all steps in the SOA seemed to fall in the pattern i had practised except that the final trigger pull was just not happening. first set over 85. told myself relax. went and sat down. took two minutes of break. came back again started the next set. first shot 9, second shot 10. i am getting it back. then 8,8 and then finger went to sleep. i experienced what people with paralysis must experiencing when a part of their body refuses to obey the brain. cancelled and cancelled and hen forced myself to pull. 6. shock . i try to relax. two long breaths . next shot same experience again a 6. i keep the ap down. go and sit down again. do some pranayam. i am sure the shooter next to me can hear my heartbeat. again get up and finish the set. 81. i sink into the chair. after a two minute break go back and the story continues. the satyagraha of the trigger finger continues. i end up with 85,81,86,86.338. 12 dry fires.20 sighters. 40 shots and almost 40 cancellations. at the end of the shoot. 10 min still remaining. full stop
now the questions . what went wrong.
i had gone into the match with warm up yet the shoulder seemed to tire right at the beginning, how come?
what happened to my trigger finger? does this happen? cure?
is it only I that find the first shot of the shoot very difficult to get off?
shoulder started aching halfway through the match? weak shoulder of plain fatigue?
truely speaking hvj, tirpassion i am lost. please enlighten
Same here, Jitu. My words too... hence avoiding re-writing. But thanks to you for the experience and *THE EXPERIENCE*. ;-)

The fantastic part of this Delhi trip was meeting up with the God (dev) and el Colonel (jitu) in person and spend some quality time with them. bodhijobs, if only you could have sneaked a visit, the frat would have been complete. :-) Delhi was followed by trip to Chandigadh and then Amritsar. Back in town now before Pune trip; though mulling over here - giving dev's advice of DNS some thought.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:23 pm

Riddle me this... Two shooters both using the same technique...one masters the SOA, the other not so sure. Yet both shoot the same score. And three shooters all shooting the first scoring shot into a five or a six. What gives? Are we mentally basket cases? Is the mind playing tricks or is the training regimen lacking something?
I know that I am just not motivated to spend more time on air. I will prolly just amuse myself by shooting cans with the LP 10, might just start to shoot the letters after that.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:50 pm

Do not mean to sound like "ronaa-dhonaa" but posting it here so you could advise me on whether I am thinking along the right lines. My conclusion was that over-travel killed me.

Was in Pune 4 days attending workshop sessions 7:30Am-7:30PM. Drove to Mumbai after contracting fever. By the time I was done eliminating mine, my son was burning. So stayed on a day extra cutting down from my Satara trip. The Satara trip was a godsend; not only did I meet guruji and upacharyaji but also got a few good tips that mean to implement post-Pune and subject to condiution "masha-allah" in Delhi. The only reason for procrastination is that all the schedule is too tight for now. The return saw me a day in Thane doing laundry and packing for the next day flight to Delhi. I reached New Delhi on 7th and logged into the Hotel at Aerocity by 1500 and contacted Jitu and Dev but was advised to put off the WC till next day as the WC shut shutters around 1700. So RELAXED the rest of the day reading a book and talking a 2-3 km walk in the smog heavy traffic area. Came across Reliancefresh and stocked up on Bananas and Coconut water.

The next day (8th) checked out of the motel rented a taxi and journeyed to KSSR. WC went without any hitch (the trigger's still was a tad heavy) and met up with Jitu. Lugged back with my heavy bag through Mumbai-local-style Delhi metro to Karol Baug area were the family had arrived. Realised that both the hands were hurting. Thanked MRA manager in thoughts for giving the detail for the 10th - one day for relaxing the hands. At 5pm we set for Akshradham. Must have walked around for 3.5hrs there. By the time I was back the legs felt leaden too. The outer muscles of the right calf had congealed into stone. The feet were now hurting. Thanked the MRA manager for getting me the day for rest on the 9th.

So when the family went off on Delhi city tour on 9th I stayed back and first massaged the legs and hands with coconut oil and then with Moov. When I thought I could go for warm bath, the wonderful "HC running water" taps gave out only cold water. Felt good though. But sleep pattern was now odd. I felt sleepy the whole day but could sleep for only a few minutes every now and then. Could not get around to get to KSS to watch Jitu shoot. Thankfully, found out another Reliancefresh during my another walk and updated on my fruit reserves. So snacked only on fruit that night.

Now the family was to catch a 0530 bus for Agra-Mathura tour on the 10th. So though my alarm was set for the 0400, I was wide awake at 0300 or so and then could not sleep. The family had insisted that I accompany them to the pick-up spot which was 100 ft from the hotel as they weer afraid of street dogs and more so of street-men who littered the footpaths. So after seeing them off around 0600, returned home and dozed off. I woke up with a start around 0900 and realized that I had not dry-fired the eve before or this day 910th) as advised by tirpassion. So hurriedly did some 10-15 DFs and started getting ready for the D-day. My detail was at 1330. Dev's was earlier. Security at Metro bumped me - "No AP". I tried telling him that I have carried it before and that after noting in the register I was allowed. "NO". So I came back and caught an auto. The driver was an old Muslim chap who had more problem hearing what I said than in what he spoke. Not only did he take me to the *wrong* "Jaamia" before but also drove in a fashion that would make James Bond feel like a kid. But amidst all that stunt driving I hit my right knee on the iron seat support twice. We finally got around to the KSS and he begged for extra money for bringing me all that distance. So over Rs. 200 we had agreed upon, I gave him Rs. 50 but he gave me "waastaa" just about from everyone from Diwali to my kids to Khuda etc. So I gave him Rs. 100 extra and got inside the range. I could not help notice that either he had albino eyes or cataract-hit ones! Wished Dev and sat behind him to watch. Once when I took off for the toilet and shifted my weight while standing up, I noticed my right leg wobbled a bit - the right knee and the right calf were working in tandem. But I was sure that would not cause any problem.

The DFs and sighters were almost flawless, Once the record shots started, the fall began. Suddenly I could not get my stance right nor my trigger release. Add to that my body responded to what even Dev could not realize had happened - someone switched off the a/c for 1330 detail. I suddenly started sweating profusely. The a/c was switched on after the 1330 detail was done. This fact was informed to us by another Savarkar shooter; thus clearing up the Mystery of the Sweating AGN. Later the three of us had a fine time in CR park devouring Chicken Kathi, Gol-Gappas and Mishti Dhai. While talking to dev I suddenly realied that I had not shot since before Dasara (Oct 24th) - and this was bound to repeat for the Pune event - since I had only 2 days between my arrival in Thane and departure for Pune. If at all I go to Pune, it shall be without any expectation or pressure or preparation. In short, "Do not cry for me, Argentina..." (I know it sounds a bit "nirlajj" :oops:)

BTW, got me a kirpan from outside the Golden Temple - but that's for another day and topic. Birthday present from my wife & kids. :-) Visited Anandpur Sahib and Bhakra-Nangal dams on my birthday. Right now, got a slightly hoarse throat yelling "Bharat Mata ki Jai" and "Vande Materam" in the evening chill at Wagah. I aspire to greet 2013 with:
1. Being 5 kg lighter
2. Better AP grip
3. Better Front sight
4. Better SOA
5. Better and consistent scores.

dev - do not turn jeweller yet. Remember Ramprasad Bismil "sir faroshi ki tamanna, ab hamare dil mein bhi hai; dekhanaa hai dum kitnaa baaju-e-kateel mein hai" & the kateel is only a number - the number of candles on our cake. ;-)

EDIT: Thx to Jitu for the correction faramoshi-> faroshi. :-)
Also wish to add -> Upacharyaji, are thy conscious of thine looks o'bald ? In fact I didn't give it any more thought till y'all started bouncing it here. :-) But hey that gives you an austere look; just like Jitu said. BTW, I was contemplating the "Chanakya look" after 60 as I get ready for the Vanaprasthashram then; reduction in worldly attachments. Also on altogether different point, seeing guruji turn veggie, I remembered my Dad advising me to go easy on meat products after 40. So here's to Guruji and my Dad. :cheers:
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by bodhijobs » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:26 pm

I am inspired too now. Yahoo!!!

Dev da dont give up yet, its only the beginning.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:03 am

dev lets try again bhai afterall the trying part is enjoyable , though sometimes the comp experience tends to be slightly shattering. but it is fun to stand up again in face of the foe when you are knocked down in the ring, remember rocky 1. so forget becoming a jeweler and lets get on with it.
hey agn nice aspirations. i too have most of them. the real achievement would be consistency. by the way is 'sir faroshi ki tammana or faramoshi? i am not too good with these words.
nice to know bodhi is getting inspired by our struggles. great going . get on with your shooting man and join the fun.
hey tir, uapacharyas look better with this aura of chanakya (bald). so we will take you more seriously, you know

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:40 am

[quote="tirpassion"
Dear jitu,
Just recall the scene from the film 'Modern Times' of Charlie Chaplin where he is continuously tightening the screws/nuts on a chain production conveyer belt which is moving at a fixed pace in front of him. Imagine yourself in that situation. You have set the pace of the conveyer belt. Your actions are to be programmed (read each and every step of your SOA) in such a way that you will never miss a nut/bolt during a certain duration of time (the string of the shot cycles; 4 shot cycles or 5 shot cycles as per your convenience).
I hope that you will understand what I mean to say. Do box drills as prescribed by Guruji and drill the elements literally in your head. There is nothing to get disheartened. You are on good track. All you need is good quality dedicated work.
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Hi Guys!
> Great to read your posts, especially meeting hvj1 & sharing gyan.
> Speaking of the film 'Modern Times' & Charlie Chaplin reminded me of a story I read in the Reader's Digest many many moons ago...
> On a trans-atlantic cruise the captain of the ship threw a dinner for the passengers amongst whom was none other than 'Baroness Rostchild'. The dinnner was prepared by a master chef specially flown in from Paris.
> After the dinner the Baroness complimented the chef and asked for the recipe of the main course which apprently she enjoyed very much.
> Six months later she ran into the chef in Paris & told him that she followed every step of the recipe but somehow the dish did not turn out the way he had made on the cruise... what went wrong she asked?
> With a wry smile on his face the chef replied - true you did follow every step of the recipe - but you forgot to add the most important ingredient "Yourself"....
> What the chef meant was - the Baroness went about the recipe 'mechanically' - but her inner self - her love & soul involvement in making the dish was missing!!!
> That made the difference!
> Likewise drills / exercises / movements / instructions / rules' etc. may be followed mechanically - but if your heart & soul is not in what you are doing to achieve the end result - then the whole excercise is 'futile'.
> Like different tributeries that flow into the ocean - your each step should flow seamlessly & meld into one big mass of concentrated energy, attitude & action to the finale'. Something like a 50 piece symphony orchestra playing in unision to reach the crescendo - the clash of the cymbal (equivalent to firing the shot that hits the bull's eye).
> This may seem a bit of a tall talk - but believe me - This is true!!!
:cheers:
Briha

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:54 am

Thanks for the rousing war cry. Picked up the pistol today in the morning just to squeeze the trigger a few times. The snap of the pistol reverberates through the room. Damn if the trigger doesn't seem to break like glass. And after the GVMN weapon control check I know that it is set just right. The barrel looks a bit tough to melt down. Do another dry fire...hmmm...that almost went off on its own...maybe if I did three hundred raises a day...muscle memory hmmm...might get shooting glasses and that Tuglakabad membership? Tomorrow is another day.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:37 pm

[quote="hvj1

Sir,
Please do not address me as guruji, you are far senior to me, hvj1, will do... :D
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hvj1

Hello hvj1,
> Point noted :D
> However I feel that 'age' is all about numbers - it has a beginning and an end - but knowledge & wisdom is 'Ananth'!
> I quote: A disciple once asked the master 'when all men are created equal, why is that 'you' sit at a higher level than us - and the master replied 'A river will flow only from a higher level to a lower level' :D
> Have a great week-end. :cheers:
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by bodhijobs » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:59 pm

Briha Sir, awesome...liked the story too much...

Jitu bhai: I guess AGN has written it correctly...sirfaroshi ki tamanna abb humare dil mein hain, dekhna hain zor kitna bazoo - ein - qateel mein hain...

Dev da: there you go...yesss, thats the way it is...It ain't over till its over...Shooting glasses and KSSR membership? Sounds good and I can promise you company...

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:46 pm

Dev, AGN and Jitu,
A few questions;
1.Look back and think deeply, did all of you subconsciously hoping to shoot a certain score?
2. Was the score level of the competition (for everyone else) also quite low?
3. Were the lights dimmer or brighter on the range?
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:38 pm

hvj1 wrote:Dev, AGN and Jitu,
A few questions;
1.Look back and think deeply, did all of you subconsciously hoping to shoot a certain score?
2. Was the score level of the competition (for everyone else) also quite low?
3. Were the lights dimmer or brighter on the range?
BR
1. Yes. :-( 363 "at least" :-( I plead guilty here. :-(
2. Yes. Very few crossed 330 in that detail. Only one crossed (rather met) the 363.
3. BRIGHTER. Much BRIGHTER. Especially one on top of head. It was like the light those video recorders shine in your face at any wedding. I could feel back of my neck sorta burn below. Add to that the a/c getting turned off. May be the initial "cool" part was around the time of sighters. Then the temperature went up slowly - though I didn't realize the cause, the body responded. The lights on top were not the typical white incandescence but the strong yellow 150 watt ones; stronger than the ones that we used to put on the carom boards while playing on chawl terrace etc.

Still clueless. Guruji, please shine the light.

Brihji, I agree with the Rothschild story. In fact, I read similar account of Swami Vivekanand. He told his fellow brethren (monks) that a Sanyasi by default should aspire to be a good cook.
Q: "Why?" (surprise)
A: Only by concentration and application of Self does the food become more tasty - exactly the properties needed for a person seeking Union with the Divine.

That is probably why the prasad (sheera) (Halwa in Hindi) that we prepare for the Satyanarayan Puja is more tasty than the regular sheera we prepare for Sunday breakfast. Ironically, the prasad never gets tasted till it is offered and eaten while the breakfast one gets tasted periodically while cooking for the ingredients (especially sugar) or to see if it's cooked.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:30 am

Dear Guruji,

Your question is very interesting.
I did shoot with a score in mind.
Secondly to me the light seemed ok as it was the same in the Delhi State.
The air-conditioning was switched on and off, but it did not affect me, I was quite comfy.
Thirdly, yes I looked at the scores. On an average it seemed as if only four in a detail scored 360 or above.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:31 am

guruji
you are absolutely right about the focus on the score. i was in fact reading carefully every ones score even on the day prior to my shoot just to see if some one qualified and crossed 363(very few did). so plead completely guilty as far as focusing on 363. so why subconsciously i was even consciously thinking and calculating after each set of 10 shots how much more i needed to shoot if i was to qualify. so had lost most of my josh after shooting 85 and 81 as it left me with the task of hitting 98+ in the balance two sets. i really dont know how it is feasible to go into a comp without thinking of the qualifying score.
i for one didi not particualry feel much difference in the lights so that i am not sure affected me much. but one thing which affected me i feel is lack of the pulley chord between me and the target. somehow mad me feel uneasy about where exactly i should stand while taking the stance. honestly speaking it made me sort of uneasy as if the umbilical chord to the target had been soehow severed. pl advice

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