Tips on Pistol Shooting

[hvj1]

how many shots should one take as sighters in the comp.

Hi jitu
The fact that you have 35 minutes left shows;
1. That your SOA is quite time efficient, hence it leaves you a lot of valuable time.
2. Now to answer your question; In sighters practice your SOA, till you get into your rhythm.

3. What do I mean by rhythm? I am certain that you can answer that, please do so others can benefit from our interaction, dont be afraid to make a mistake.
Best Regards

[jitu sati]

it would not be apt for me to voice my opinions when the gurujan are present. however since you have asked, here goes. what i feel is that when one feels good about a thing generally the thing is what it should be. what i mean is when i get a good feeling about the rhythm during the sighters i should know that it is time to press the match button. and by rhythm i mean that my actions in the predecided sequence start following a pace without my consciously guiding them . however this also has an inherent pitfall of complacency which needs to be guarded against.
but what if i get the good feeling after a long time? how do i manage the time. but i guess answer to that would be more and more prac till the SOA becomes a second nature.
how easy it is to express a opinion, but gurujan i would certainly like your well informed opinions supported by your experiences rather just my gut feeling

[bodhijobs]

Hello Jitu Sati,

Could you please explain what you meant by a 4 shot cycle?

Regards
BD

[jitu sati]

hey bodhi go back and read this thread from the start. you will get most of the answers. the gurujan have thrown light on each dimension of shooting. so read slowly and thoroughly. however to answer you query, this sport required immense concentration mentally and physically. each person has different strengths and needs to pattern his shot cycle accordingly. the shot cycle is how many shots one takes in a row without taking a break/ without changing grip or without loosing focus. agn is able to take 5 shots in a row so his shot cycle is 5 whereas my attention starts wavering after the third/4th so my shot cycle is 4. this has been arrived at after a lot of experimentation. i had initially shot 10 shots in a row and have slowly dropped down to four after seeing the disastrous shot patterns after the initial few good shots. so once you have your ap and start shooting you will be able to work out your own shot cycle. i hope this answers your query

[bodhijobs]

hey bodhi go back and read this thread from the start. you will get most of the answers. the gurujan have thrown light on each dimension of shooting. so read slowly and thoroughly. however to answer you query, this sport required immense concentration mentally and physically. each person has different strengths and needs to pattern his shot cycle accordingly. the shot cycle is how many shots one takes in a row without taking a break/ without changing grip or without loosing focus. agn is able to take 5 shots in a row so his shot cycle is 5 whereas my attention starts wavering after the third/4th so my shot cycle is 4. this has been arrived at after a lot of experimentation. i had initially shot 10 shots in a row and have slowly dropped down to four after seeing the disastrous shot patterns after the initial few good shots. so once you have your ap and start shooting you will be able to work out your own shot cycle. i hope this answers your query

Yes perfectly answers.

To be honest, this thread has become so big now that I am reading & reading but then missing out on certain things....

Thanks Jitu for being patiently answering the question...

Regards
BD

[hvj1]

by rhythm i mean that my actions in the predecided sequence start following a pace without my consciously guiding them .

Jitu,
You make me proud.


I will go deeper, into this the next time I post, Lets us see if anybody else would like to attempt an answer.

[bodhijobs]

With all due respects, I would like to attempt the question of HVJ1 sir.

Rhythm will mean, the entire SOA coming as a sequence without being told or without me reminding myself what to do. Its like I stand infront of the shooting table or infront of the target, every action should happen automatically once I touch the pistol.It may be something like when we drive a car, we keep our eyes in front and the hands/legs do their duties without being told, the hand changes the gears, the feet operates clutch, brake and accelerator, at the right moment, at a right pace...

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[jitu sati]

hey hvj thx for your encouragement. but the question still remains in a match, what if it takes a long time to fall into the rhythm? how many then?
hey tir, u had once told me to take just 4 shots as sighters prior to a prac match. however what i have realised is that inspite of warm up and dry fires i spray the first 4-6 shots probably due to nervousness. then the shots start getting into the 9 ring or there pattern . presently i am trying my best to get the pattern to the 9 ring only rather the 'or there'. but consistency is still not achieved. someday the SOA falls into a pattern like a well oiled machine. someday it sputters like those old stoves , sudden activity and drops. any tips for achieving consistency.
gurujan any tips for achieving consistency in SOA

[tirpassion]

Dear all,

The music is on, it is my favourite note of music (my SOA), my mind/soul finds itself in unison with the tune, the feet start to tap naturally with the beat and the rhythmic dance begins... the world disappears... there is only me dancing to the tune of my music... and enjoying the purest form of pleasure...

This is how I understand rhythm.

best regards
tirpassion

[tirpassion]

hey tir, u had once told me to take just 4 shots as sighters prior to a prac match. however what i have realised is that inspite of warm up and dry fires i spray the first 4-6 shots probably due to nervousness.

Yes, jitu, I had said so because I believe that one should not need more than 3/4 shots to adjust the weapon with the conditions of the day and the range. It is purely from the perspective of weapon adjustment.
But what Guruji is saying is different altogether. I had never thought in that angle. Getting in to the rhythm already before entering the scene in order to avoid any imperfection/error. This thought process is in a much higher level than what my imagination would permit.

I had tried this approach in a match on Friday morning in Kolkata. I shot 5 sighter shots (perfect SOA), found myself in rhythm and went in to the match. The first set was 94. I became aware of the decent 1st set. The demon of score sneaked in my mind. The second set went for 91. then i forced myself to work on the rhythm and finished the match in 1h07m (60 + 5 sighter shots) including 2 seated breaks. The SOA% was 84% and hence I imagined a score of around 550 max. Took the cards for counting and the total came out to be 94, 91, 93, 93, 93, 94 = 558/600.
My satisfaction was with
1. the time; 1 hour & 7 minutes in total for 65 shots + 7 minutes of total seated break + 1 to 1&1/2 minute break between each string of 5 shot cycle.
2. 7 shot cancellations in total.

best regards
tirpassion

[jitu sati]

hey tir i wish i could shoot like you. one day, thx to the guidance of all the gurujan, surely i will. but my efforts are on. i hope i can get into rhythm so fast. some days i do but there are some days when i take one hell of a lot of shots to get into the rhythm. that i what i have been trying to solve.
one more query, i seem to have many , any way what i want to know from you experienced guys , does the amt of air pressure in the cylinder make a difference in the point of impact. yesterday in prac i was shooting with a cylinder near the end of green area and the shots were hitting the 9/10 ring regularly. i changed to full charged full green cylinder and to my surprise inspite of aiming in the same area the shots were hitting low. does this happen

[jitu sati]

what i meant is how much gas pressure should one have in the cylinder when one goes in for a match

[bodhijobs]

hey tir i wish i could shoot like you. one day, thx to the guidance of all the gurujan, surely i will. but my efforts are on. i hope i can get into rhythm so fast. some days i do but there are some days when i take one hell of a lot of shots to get into the rhythm. that i what i have been trying to solve.
one more query, i seem to have many , any way what i want to know from you experienced guys , does the amt of air pressure in the cylinder make a difference in the point of impact. yesterday in prac i was shooting with a cylinder near the end of green area and the shots were hitting the 9/10 ring regularly. i changed to full charged full green cylinder and to my surprise inspite of aiming in the same area the shots were hitting low. does this happen

This is my question too in general. Does the drop in pressure accounts for pellet droop simply coz the fact that the velocity increases with higher pressure?

Regards
BD

[tirpassion]

Dear jitu and bodhijobs,

The air pressure is extremely important in the AP. If you are nearing the yellow mark, being still in the green, you should change cylinders. The AP should normally have a constant operating air pressure and quantity for propulsion of the pellet irrespective of the fact that the cylinder pressure is 200 bars. For example, the operating pressure of the Hammerli AP40 is 52 bars. So, in theory, it should work properly even if the pressure cylinder shows 60 bars of pressure (the beginning of the yellow line in my AP). But I avoid to go below the 80 bar imaginary mark.

The next thing is the trajectory of the pellet. In theory, when the projectile travels faster, it should have a longer curve which means that it should hit low in a shorter distance. In case of the projectile travelling slowly, the hits should be high at a shorter distance because of the shorter curve. I am nowhere near to be an expert in ballistics. So, I may be wrong in my conception.

best regards
tirpassion

[bodhijobs]

Dear jitu and bodhijobs,

The air pressure is extremely important in the AP. If you are nearing the yellow mark, being still in the green, you should change cylinders. The AP should normally have a constant operating air pressure and quantity for propulsion of the pellet irrespective of the fact that the cylinder pressure is 200 bars. For example, the operating pressure of the Hammerli AP40 is 52 bars. So, in theory, it should work properly even if the pressure cylinder shows 60 bars of pressure (the beginning of the yellow line in my AP). But I avoid to go below the 80 bar imaginary mark.

The next thing is the trajectory of the pellet. In theory, when the projectile travels faster, it should have a longer curve which means that it should hit low in a shorter distance. In case of the projectile travelling slowly, the hits should be high at a shorter distance because of the shorter curve. I am nowhere near to be an expert in ballistics. So, I may be wrong in my conception.

best regards
tirpassion

Thanks Tirpassion for the explanation about the residual pressure to be maintained always.

About the pellet trajectory, what you explained seems to be perfect for me because this is what I was told when I was talking to a Pyramid Air expert a few days back.

Regards
BD