.30 calibre Chinese Pistol in India?

[indigo_indo]

Recently a local arms dealer in our district was arrested on a tip off by intelligence that so called arms dealer is regularly bringing up .30 caliber weapons smuggled from china via nepal - U.P. and same weapons were being sold in local market.

The main highlight of the total story was that the arms dealer was so expert in his profession that he made almost new pilots look like 30 years old. the guns were rubbed and buffed to give the blued gun look used and worn out whitish finish .

The number on the guns were sandpapered to reduce their appearance. Even the model year was fabricated or re punched.

Fake licenses were being arranged from where it was shown to be bought and almost every gun brought atleast a profit of 5 t0 6 lacs ... ( only )

The people who bought such weapons from that dealer were served notices to deposit their weapons and the fate of the investment and trouble to the purchasers is unknown .... ( almost uncertain )

I would just say to mi friends that no matter how known is your arms dealer or the source of the weapon in 60 % cases you are inviting a trouble with a used weapon . Tis just like buying a land ... you get a litigation and headache free with it... .

That`s reason i bought revolver from FGF kanpur as advised by an clerk who is working in arms registration department in suvidha centre .

There were some flaws in gun like tight trigger , out timing but with an expense of under 5,000 i am having a reliable and legal weapon.

The demand and supply gap in the arms and weapons is the cause of trouble for the civilians and the anti social elements enjoy like politicians in india

May God Save India from Corrupt politicians and Reluctant Bureaucrats.

Amen

[FN-Five-Seven]

You would do very well to read the rules on PB and NPB. It has nothing to do with lethality. One can debate the effectiveness of the 7.62X25 Vs the 9X19 NATO. The 7.62x25 is LEGAL.


Best-
Vikram

I am not quite following you . A 9mm ammo & a firearm capable firing such ammo is more lethal than a .32 ACP ammo & a firearm capable of firing such ammo . Hence , a 9mm ammo & a firearm capable of firing 9mm ammo is a PB for civilians , where as a .32 ACP & a firearm capable of firing such ammo is not .

I am pretty sure the lethality is the basis of classification of PB and NPB weapons , atleast in India . Other things also factor in , such as the weapon being automatic or semi automatic , as well as length of the barrel .

Also I do believe that the 7.62 x 25 mm ammo is capable of piercing light bullet proof vests . So it is legal in India , for Indian civilians to own ??? I don't think so .

FN- Five-Seven

[mundaire]

Lethality has nothing to do with calibre restriction, please read the "sticky" on this topic (PB/ NPB) under the "Legal Eagle" section here http://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780

It will help clear your doubts on the subject.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[winnie_the_pooh]

I am pretty sure the lethality is the basis of classification of PB and NPB weapons , atleast in India . Other things also factor in , such as the weapon being automatic or semi automatic , as well as length of the barrel .

You will soon realize that the Indian govt. is as scared as the Brits were,of a repeat of 1857

[Glock 25]

[Hi folks ,







The other pistol is the Czech CZ-52. It is somewhat lighter than the TT33, and very nicely made. It can be carried with a round in the chamber safely. However, its design is very intricate and can give trouble. If one is in good condition and working order, it is a better choice for self defense.

(for the record, I own a CZ 52 chambered in 7.62x25mm.)

[/quote]


Hi you had CZ 52. It is the great news for me. I am also searching for CZ 52. I want to know the price of this Pistol. Where and when you purchase it

[winnie_the_pooh]

Hi you had CZ 52. It is the great news for me. I am also searching for CZ 52. I want to know the price of this Pistol. Where and when you purchase it

Timmy is in USA and you would be shocked to hear the price

[Skyman]

Well given Timmy's experience, i doubt he will.He is well versed with our arms market.

[goodboy_mentor]

I am pretty sure the lethality is the basis of classification of PB and NPB weapons , atleast in India . Other things also factor in , such as the weapon being automatic or semi automatic , as well as length of the barrel .

You will be pretty surprised to know that fear of popular mutiny was/is the only basis of PB and NPB. Drafters of the Arms Act and its Rules were no saints, they will be the happiest persons to know they have succeeded in creating confusion by using misnomers and throw you off track.

Following tricks and misnomers have been used in Arms Act to create confusion:-

1. Rights have been labeled as privileges.

2. Instead of simply saying automatic firearms in Section 2 of Arms Act 1959, they have been called prohibited arms.

3. Prohibited arms are not prohibited.

4. Prohibited bores are not prohibited.

5. Prohibited bores is not about bores. Example: following three are of 7.62 mm bores but 7.62x25 mm is NPB, 7.62x51 mm is PB, 7.62x63 mm is NPB.

6. Grant of license is not about "grant" but merely "issue" of license. The license is not a privilege granted by government, instead it is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. May read this High Court judgment http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 64#p147708

Prohibited bores were created around Lord Curzon's time to ensure that in event of repeat of 1857 like mutiny, the cartridges used by government forces cannot be fired by civilian guns. The same distrust of armed forces and the citizens is being continued by our babudom in Arms Rules 1962. Concept of PB/NPB has nothing to do with ballistics of the cartridges. Rather it is something similar to the philosophy of warring NATO and Warsaw Pact countries during the Cold War, of using dissimilar cartridges so that the captured guns or ammunition cannot be used by the forces of the opposite side. The babudom also views the people of this country to be in a constant and perpetual cold war with government.

[timmy]

Glock 25:

Sorry, I am in the USA. I got my CZ52 from AIM Surplus, a pretty well-known dealer of what is called "Curio & Relic" weapons. Curio & Relic, sometimes called C&R here for short, are older military weapons that can be bought and sold by people with a C&R dealer permit, which isn't as difficult to get as other weapons dealer permits.

We can buy guns here from stores and at gun shows, but to buy them through the mail, one must either be a dealer to receive them or go through a dealer. Normally, a person with a C&R permit can be found to purchase the guns, and then one pays them something like $20 or $25 a gun for the service of receiving them.

At today's exchange rate, the CZ52 cost about ₹6100 and the transfer fee was about ₹1300. Then there was shipping, which might have been ₹400-₹500. All totaled, that's about ₹7800, I guess.

IIRC, these guns were only made by the Czechs for three years, I think. They were big on the market here for a couple of years, and then the price started going up on them.

The pin the hammer pivots on is held in place by a thin nut. On mine, the threads on the pin were stripped, and I had to get another one. At the time, there was a mail order dealer who specialized in Makarovs who sold good, cheap parts, and I got one. These pistols have a lot of little, intricate parts. For instance, there is a firing pin block that inserts a piece up from the receiver to block the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled.

Another weakness is the firing pin. It will break if you dry fire the pistol, so don't do it! There are special pins made out of better steel available, but they are not cheap. I keep promising myself that I will get one.

If you can lay your hands on one in good condition, from what I understand, ammo is available and you'll have a nice weapon. They have a unique roller locking system that is very novel and interesting. When you touch off the 7.62x25 round at the range, EVERYONE will look your way, because it makes a heck of a bang.

The pistol is large, but it is surprisingly light. The Czechs machined away every excess bit of metal in the frame, and it is nice to carry. The finish is a matte Parkerized one and quite durable.

I got the pistol because I wanted one in 7.62x25. I have the reloading dies and all, and my plan was to reload with plastic sabots and 55 grain .223 bullets. The velocity one can obtain is quite high with this combination, approaching 1700 f/s. I will do it some day, but it may have to wait until we leave New Jersey. Gun laws in New Jersey approach what you have over there. ;^(

I also paid about the same amount for ammunition as I paid for the gun. I got a tin of about 1200 rounds for that price, and later on, I got a second tin. This is all surplus ammunition, and maybe it is Romanian or Yugoslav, but I can't remember. Part of the fun was being able to get lots of cheap ammo to shoot.

[Oggie]

Sourojit,

15 responses and no "thank you" yet from you ??