Precihole sports Orion(.22),Pegasus(.177),Club .177

[loner]

This is a great air rifle but I would like to see a few things, the important one is a manual safety instead of a automatic one and a peep sight instead of an open one. I'd also like to have a trigger with adjustable trigger pull weight, maybe the ergonomics of the trigger can be changed a little bit to enhance aesthetics but it's not that important. A wooden stock option would be nice.

[Biren]

[SNIP]

Dev it would have been nice if you could have spoken for yourself Even established brands donnt claim that their equipment cannt be further tuned and here there is airrifle which is being promoted on non commercial section of IFG which is yet to be used by common folks... support services yet to be tested.. Some kind of pseudo marketing right now. Intrestingly manufacturer/designer is silent and hawking its products through others.

As far as me fitting mine condor with IHP barrel is concerned... please enlighten me if AIRFORCE forbids so or says condor is in class of mercedes/Jaguar/BMW/Ferrai..

Two minds.. Ha.. any harm.

Cheers,
Biren

Biren - this piece or the similar in the stable are not being promoted in anyway. No interests are being involved. No kick-backs feature. No freebies are being given out. Nor is there anything "pseudo" in its quality. What you see here in the "non-commercial segment" are answers to questions raised by IFGians and answered by IFGians. Since some IFGians did happen to a take peek every now and then at various stages - they happened to answer questions as they were raised by those IFGians who were curious. If you can spare some logic, follow the thread and figure out.

No "others" are hawking the product for the "silent manufacturer/ designer" - in fact reviews are based on personal first-hand experience and handling. Those who know the manufacturer/ designer are well aware of his reputation and services to the shooting-sport sector. Those who know him will agree that the person needs no "marketing". And "those" include also the manufacturers of ARs-AGs in India and ABROAD.

Things are discussed on various fronts - including edged weapons/ firearms/ gunsmithing and yes even air-guns. If your supposed logic is to be accepted, then almost every thread, apart from those in Humor would have to be thus labelled. Words like IHP or FWB or the dealers names and references, including the reputed ones who are IFGians themselves would need to be expunged from every "non-commercial thread". Basic intelligence that a human is born with can discern between silent marketing and pure reviews and information sharing.

So before you make such baseless charges get some solid proof and concrete evidence. Speaking for myself, I having handled and written about the AR under discussion find your accusations offensive and uncharacteristic to the spirit of IFG. As of the moment, I have not paid a dime for any piece nor have I received any for free, though I intend to purchase one at a later date; I am in line too. So explain why I should not consider your accusations as unwarranted and personally directed.


In fact, explain why we should not suspect you are in turn speaking on those manufacturer(s) who churn out base and sub-standard airguns and extract exorbitant price for them. Such folks surely ought to be worried about long term existence in this market. After all, making fake models of these pieces is not going to be as easy as making those of IHP ARs.

In case you can't reach the grapes - don't wail and lament that they are sour. Let those wish to enjoy the grapes... well, enjoy them. You are free to play, fiddle, twiddle and tune around with your banana. For the records - No pun intended nor am I pseudo-marketing any fruit ... silently.

Bud.. i have nothing against the airgun except when i ask a simple question whether it can be tuned i am told its perfect... BMW ETC...You will agree nothing perfect... Some one sensible pm me... i told him its sweet and would love if its remains same..IHP was started the same motto... but present lot deserves a lot when you compare the same with international available quality... Same goes with this. The one tested has been checked, crossed checked by experts which includes the designer and owner.. but whether the same quality will be manintained when the airrifle goes through commercial production? How much will be the guy assembling the product committed more so the manufacturer with commercial considerations? The guy who started IHP started with a dream but compare it now with available international. PPL still swear by the earlier IHP models.

Do you think any one likes to shell 10 times for a international model if the same quality is available locally at 1/10 the price with service and spare facilities? You yourself know no body.

Let it be there in market, let it be used and abused by common floks... Ppl with one mind will even use the cocked airgun butt to hammer things pun intended

Come & maintain service, quality would love to have. My 5 year son would defintly like something light.. Briha sir... i always loved reading your posts and the enthu you have... possibly some misunderstanding on my part reading your post..possible IHP also started with the same .... BMW.... but diddnt you turned a ugly duckling into a swan:).. Some criticism is needed... helps keep balance

Cheers

Biren
Biren

[jignesh712712]

i have order one .22 orion yin aimco.


And now i wait for PCP model......

[Lawman]

Are they also making PCP air rifles ?

[fantumfan2003]

Biren,

Don't you think you are engaging in a lot of saying of a product that you have not tested yourself ?
I think you will believe if us if we told you something about the air rifle right ? or am I wrong ?

Frankly, I would think it would be grave dis-service to compare the SX100's manufacturing process, quality and after sales service with any other Indian manufactured air rifle. I don't think there is any more need to say good things about it.

Try one when they land in Delhi. If you like it, buy one or just continue with what you have.

And lets address this "Can it be tuned" question to rest once and for ever......

The answer is "NO".

There is nothing to tune in it for smoothness nor power, coz it is already smooth as it can get. A tune won't help the power either......

M.

Bud.. i have nothing against the airgun except when i ask a simple question whether it can be tuned i am told its perfect... BMW ETC...You will agree nothing perfect... Some one sensible pm me... i told him its sweet and would love if its remains same..IHP was started the same motto... but present lot deserves a lot when you compare the same with international available quality... Same goes with this. The one tested has been checked, crossed checked by experts which includes the designer and owner.. but whether the same quality will be manintained when the airrifle goes through commercial production? How much will be the guy assembling the product committed more so the manufacturer with commercial considerations? The guy who started IHP started with a dream but compare it now with available international. PPL still swear by the earlier IHP models.

Do you think any one likes to shell 10 times for a international model if the same quality is available locally at 1/10 the price with service and spare facilities? You yourself know no body.

Let it be there in market, let it be used and abused by common floks... Ppl with one mind will even use the cocked airgun butt to hammer things pun intended

Come & maintain service, quality would love to have. My 5 year son would defintly like something light.. Briha sir... i always loved reading your posts and the enthu you have... possibly some misunderstanding on my part reading your post..possible IHP also started with the same .... BMW.... but diddnt you turned a ugly duckling into a swan:).. Some criticism is needed... helps keep balance

Cheers

Biren
Biren

[fantumfan2003]

I wonder if you wrote to any other Indian manufacturers and if they granted you your wishes......



Seriously.......There are two safety's available to an SX100 user...one on the gun and the other is the shooters knowledge and his application of gun safety rules.....

Have you used the SX100 ?? Which model ?? How many shots fired ??

Wooden stock won't happen ever.......I think likewise for trigger because someone can adjust the trigger so light as to cause accidental fires hence no adjustment of pull weight...But I am sure you will have only praise to sing of the SX100 trigger if you have been using the IHP 25/35.

A peep sight is planned but not in the near future.....Designing a peep sight with repeatable accuracy of clicks is very expensive and not easy......

The ergonomics are for target shooters and are right on the mark.....I know coz I am a target shooter.....

M.

This is a great air rifle but I would like to see a few things, the important one is a manual safety instead of a automatic one and a peep sight instead of an open one. I'd also like to have a trigger with adjustable trigger pull weight, maybe the ergonomics of the trigger can be changed a little bit to enhance aesthetics but it's not that important. A wooden stock option would be nice.

[fantumfan2003]

Yes there are plans but much later........

M.

Are they also making PCP air rifles ?

[loner]

Just now I fix my Stoeger scope on black beauty
The first Pics of the air rifles

Nice rifle. You got a PM btw

[Big Daddy]

I really do not want to get in to this but I can’t help it.....criticizing / critically reviewing a product one has no idea of is crap. The IHP is perhaps the best gun available locally (I use the word "is" since the SX – 100 is still to hit the market fulltime). However, that does not guarantee the IHP to be the best forever. I do agree with Fantumfan in supporting this new rifle. The guys who have reported this rifle are people who have studied springers, very evident if one reads the threads. Secondly, who was behind IHP’s success????. Who is behind the new gun????. Guys, while criticism of a new product is okay, one has to go through it’s background. And if one does not know how the quality will be maintained once it is mass produced, then it is prudent to buy one now itself. Just remember, this is not some run off govt. project. Hard earnings of individuals (including their reputation) are invested in this project and only a beaming idiot would allow quality to slip. And to end it, I am sure Fantumfan and Brichacharan will second me in saying the brain behind this is perhaps The Authority of Springers in the country known to many simply as "Dr." .

BD

[mercury]

criticism of new products is bound to happen and the Mumbai team associated with this project and other well wishers need to accept this. I can understand their frustration when this criticism comes from enthusists who have yet to handle the product and from others simply because it is made in India. and in time more criticism/questions will be raised by purists simply because the rifle is being promoted as world class.

but both criticism and questions need to be answered objectively. i may be wrong here but there is a sense of defensiveness creeping in. why should there be ...hell air rifles from daystate to AA are criticised by their owners.

and please...the manufacturer beiing world renowed, known to all,dont question him or his products ??????? how does that clear a doubt ?

marketing is about selling the product not the person who concieved the idea.

[fantumfan2003]

CRITICISM

People who criticise Daystates and AAs OWN those guns.
In our case, how many people here OWN an SX100 AND are criticising it ?

MARKETING

I disagree with you on this one........
It is a unique situation because the SX100 has been designed by the foremost authority on airguns in India. This might be hard to chew on for some but its a fact, one cannot ignore......

I have strong feeling that people who are criticising the SX100 have a definite "anti" approach to air rifles manufactured in India, as I have said before, try it and if you like it, buy it...... And some are upset because it can't be tuned for more power.........A springer's sweet-spot is just under 800fps....a hard pill to swallow but again that is what it is.........

ON SX100 BEING WORLD CLASS
Another hard pill to swallow....but one needs to look at SX100 with an open mind.....

M.

criticism of new products is bound to happen and the Mumbai team associated with this project and other well wishers need to accept this. I can understand their frustration when this criticism comes from enthusists who have yet to handle the product and from others simply because it is made in India. and in time more criticism/questions will be raised by purists simply because the rifle is being promoted as world class.

but both criticism and questions need to be answered objectively. i may be wrong here but there is a sense of defensiveness creeping in. why should there be ...hell air rifles from daystate to AA are criticised by their owners.

and please...the manufacturer beiing world renowed, known to all,dont question him or his products ??????? how does that clear a doubt ?

marketing is about selling the product not the person who concieved the idea.

[fantumfan2003]

Except for the "IHP is the best currently" bit.....That will change SOON....



M.

I really do not want to get in to this but I can’t help it.....criticizing / critically reviewing a product one has no idea of is crap. The IHP is perhaps the best gun available locally (I use the word "is" since the SX – 100 is still to hit the market fulltime). However, that does not guarantee the IHP to be the best forever. I do agree with Fantumfan in supporting this new rifle. The guys who have reported this rifle are people who have studied springers, very evident if one reads the threads. Secondly, who was behind IHP’s success????. Who is behind the new gun????. Guys, while criticism of a new product is okay, one has to go through it’s background. And if one does not know how the quality will be maintained once it is mass produced, then it is prudent to buy one now itself. Just remember, this is not some run off govt. project. Hard earnings of individuals (including their reputation) are invested in this project and only a beaming idiot would allow quality to slip. And to end it, I am sure Fantumfan and Brichacharan will second me in saying the brain behind this is perhaps The Authority of Springers in the country known to many simply as "Dr." .

BD

[jatindra Singh Deo]

We Indians are deprived of the best lot of airrifles ,thats period .When this airrifle arrived ,I admit its a frenzy .People go overboard when they are excited but I must give in that ,excitement is justified going by the features this airrifle sports.Apart from cribbing about the marketing strategies we must be happy that somebody has picked up the gauntlet to provide for us gun deprived citizens who just happen to love this sport .Yes he has put in a lot of effort and money into this enterprise and entitled to market as he wants.As the frenzy settles in I sincerely hope we all will love this air rifle and appreciate the hard work behind it.

Even negative comments count for publicity but ultimately the product will the hype and it will be a win win situation for us gunnies .Lets have a few cheers for the guys behind this and take every comment in our stride ...life's never a bed of roses for nothing ? its just so plain boring without the thorns !! cheers

[Biren]

CRITICISM


MARKETING

I disagree with you on this one........
It is a unique situation because the SX100 has been designed by the foremost authority on airguns in India. This might be hard to chew on for some but its a fact, one cannot ignore......

I have strong feeling that people who are criticising the SX100 have a definite "anti" approach to air rifles manufactured in India, as I have said before, try it and if you like it, buy it...... And some are upset because it can't be tuned for more power.........A springer's sweet-spot is just under 800fps....a hard pill to swallow but again that is what it is.........

ON SX100 BEING WORLD CLASS
Another hard pill to swallow....but one needs to look at SX100 with an open mind.....

M.

criticism of new products is bound to happen and the Mumbai team associated with this project and other well wishers need to accept this. I can understand their frustration when this criticism comes from enthusists who have yet to handle the product and from others simply because it is made in India. and in time more criticism/questions will be raised by purists simply because the rifle is being promoted as world class.

but both criticism and questions need to be answered objectively. i may be wrong here but there is a sense of defensiveness creeping in. why should there be ...hell air rifles from daystate to AA are criticised by their owners.

and please...the manufacturer beiing world renowed, known to all,dont question him or his products ??????? how does that clear a doubt ?

marketing is about selling the product not the person who concieved the idea.

Fantumfan Who has criticized the airrifle in question on technicals which is yet to be launched... i just had one simple query "whether it can be tuned?" & donnt draw conclusions.

If instead of writing a NO... you could have explained as to why the same cannt and should not be further tuned forum would have immensly benefitted. It would have added to the discussion on a constructive note

Cheers
Biren

[fantumfan2003]

Biren,

Yet to be launched ???? Biren Come On Man........



On a constructive note as to why you should not bother tuning it ???? May I invite you to read through all my posts on the topic in the past one week ?

And check your PM.....

M.

Fantumfan Who has criticized the airrifle in question on technicals which is yet to be launched... i just had one simple query "whether it can be tuned?" & donnt draw conclusions.

If instead of writing a NO... you could have explained as to why the same cannt and should not be further tuned forum would have immensly benefitted. It would have added to the discussion on a constructive note

Cheers
Biren