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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:05 am

Sir,
What is TB & FT?

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P.S. I meant agn Sir actually because I was never and am still not good in abbreviations.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:54 am

Hi Atul,

There is no complicated machinery used to increase or decrease the velocity. You adjust the velocity screw and also adjust the travel of the stabilizer for greater velocity. Secondly, a chronograph just records the velocity at which the pellet is travelling, it doesn't adjust the velocity of the air pistol.

Anyway don't fiddle with the air pistol if you don't feel sure about what you are doing. Don't bother about how the paper tears as this problem is eliminated when you shoot at an electronic target, in the GVM and the Nationals.
If you have your heart set on a chrono a relatively inexpensive one is available in England. I am forgetting the name at the moment but I will look it up for you in a few days.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:19 am

Quote - tirpassion,
Brihaji, you did it again.
If we need to keep on bending at all instances before you how will we ever walk straight or stand up in life? :lol:
Excellent explication SIR!

Hi tirpassion,
> Truly my inspiration comes from "You Guys' - the way you all compare / discuss / analyze & exchange your ideas and applications, its simply amazing.
> Goes to show your passion, involvement & dedication - all to better your performance - what a way to go!
> It's good to keep bending - Because soon a time will come "When You have to bend to receive the MEDAL" for your achievements ROTFL
> Have a nice week end :D
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:43 am

hey tir
what is this reduced timings. pl clarify. secondly i am continuing with the box drill on trigger op. it is paying off. the 'feeling' is getting better. though the % on the timing is hovering around 85-90, the wayward shots are reducing. any tgt i should reach and what cut off. whenever you give me a dateline i put in more effort and try to achieve it. so pl advise.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:13 pm

Thanks Brihaji for your encouragement!!! :D I accept the medal of your words with a great pleasure and humility.

Dear jitu,
the goal is always 100%. I had achieved it once in Trigger control drill only a few months back and again I am down. So I am also working on it. You know the philosophy; 'Practise what you preach' :D We rae alll working together and doing the same things.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:19 pm

Hi tirpassion / Agn / Jitu........

> This "thread' is getting to be more & more informative, educative and provides immense food for thought, practice and application. :D

> I could not supress my enthusiasm in adding to it - my humble contribution with the fervent hope that it will be favourably received... here goes...

> I came across this "Wonderful" link which in my considered opinion is just the right dose to boost our interest...

The Fundamentals of Olympic Pistol Shooting
By Zeljko Todorovic


INTRODUCTION

ISSF 10m Air Pistol
At the beginning of this course I would like to point out one very important fact. Namely, that all the elements of “THE POSITION TECHNIQUE ARE STRICTLY INDIVIDUAL TO THE SHOOTER”The description that follows is a general frame model that should be understood and applied accordingly to the shooters individual characteristics. Through daily work, feedback and experience, this model has to be adapted to the shooters best benefit, respecting all the requirements that follow.

Basic principles, described in this text, contain essential values that have been achieved through the work of many years and generations of successful shooters from all over the world. When adding all the experience and knowledge gained from the trainers that have been working with them, a long list of knowledge, research, scientific findings, education systems, experiences and suggestions that come from various experts from the fields of sport medicine, physiology, psychology, physical preparations, biomechanics, technical engineering and information science, one cannot doubt the great importance this text represents. These principles must be taken in account when building a foundation for the development and co-ordination of the individual characteristics of the shooter through the daily work.

When building a correct shooting position, all the aspects of the position have to be recognised – position of the feet, legs, torso, arms, hands, shoulders and head, as well as movements engaged in the lifting, sighting and triggering techniques. All these technical elements have one goal: maximum performance output.

To achieve the ultimate goal, a perfect shot, besides a ”good eye” and ”steady hand” (as the most primitive and raw definition described by ordinary ”amateurs”) it is necessary to meet a wide range of requirements to provide and secure the conditions for satisfactory shoot delivery. This will lead to the conclusion that the shooting position is one of the most important roles in building a successful shooter.

A simple fact, known to all, is that it is not possible to hold the pistol 100% still in the aiming area. This will lead to the conclusion that a smaller area of the movement will give better chance of scoring 10. Anyhow, we all know that sometimes the result is not satisfactory, despite the fact that the movement is as desired. A wide range of the factors can affect the score. In the majority of cases it will be due to the technical imperfection or psychological factors that are influencing the lack of co-ordination between the technical factors responsible for delivering a perfect shot.


1.Requirements – Precision Position
2.Stance – Precision Position
3.Body Position

4.Left Arm Position

5.Head Position

6.Right Hand Position

7.Sighting, Triggering & Aiming

8.Taking the Correct Shooting Position

9.Pulling the Trigger

10.Coordination between Triggering & Aiming

11.Finding the Final Sighting Area

12.Follow Through

13.Breathing

Precision Position
There are 5 key aspects to be achieved in order to build a correct shooting position:

1. Natural/comfortable – allowing the shooter easily and naturally to obtain the position securing the maximum comfortable feeling during the entire shooting event.

2. Effective – demanding minimum effort in order to maintain an optimal position during the shooting even with maximum energy saving, preventing fatigue and securing optimal performance.

3. Stability – maximizing the ability to hold pistol with minimum arc of movement.

4. Alignment – ensuring that stability is beneficially used to point the aiming elements of the
pistol into the centre of the aiming area, on the target.

5. Consistency – ability to take or re-take the position in a correct manner at any given moment
and still maintain stability and alignment through the entire shooting event.


Pistol Shooting Stance – Precision Position
Building the shooting position must be done systematically and in order, taking in account all the requirements and keeping in mind the shooter’s individual differences; anatomy, physiology, biomechanics specificity, strength and character.

Leg Position
The ultimate goal that the shooting position must provide is unconditional stability with minimum arc of movement. The basic of achieving this requirement begins with the position of the feet. Speaking in the terms of architecture it is like building a solid foundation for the static frame that will carry out the rest of the building that we are designing.

From here on all the parts of the body will be more or less conditionally directed by the parameters set from the foundation – position of the feet.

The most stabile, and at the same time, most comfortable position is the one, where distance between the feet is approximately the width of the shoulders or just a bit narrower. The feet are placed in such way to provide minimum tension in the legs. To maintain the requirement that the shooting position should be natural, leads us to the conclusion that the feet must be naturally spread sideways.

Feet Position
As a result of such a feet position, the body will get a foundation surface in the shape of trapezium. This surface will have to provide projection space for situating the centre of gravity in its optimal position and space for the body weight distribution. This will lead to a position of the trapezium surface where the feet are spread in such way that the aiming line (eye, sighting elements, centre of the target) passes approximately through the middle of both feet or within 22 degrees. In order to meet the second requirement and minimize fatigue it is necessary to distribute the body weight in the middle part of the feet or slightly on the heels.

On shooting ranges all over the world it is possible to see many different variations from this model, ranging from 0 – 45º and still allowing shooters to perform with world top class results.

Body Position
In the normal body position, without lifted gun, the centre of the gravity (COG) is naturally projected in the middle of the spread feet. When assuming the shooting position, with extended arm and holding the pistol, the distribution of the body weight (BW) and COG will change. The weight of the arm and pistol will dramatically disturb the body balance parameters. In order to regain position of the COG in the most optimal place and secure BW distribution on both legs, securing the minimum arc of movement of the pistol, it will be necessary to make certain body position adjustments. Bending backward (opposite of the target direction) the upper part of the body will provide counterweight to the weight of the extended arm with pistol. Additional movement of the right hip towards the target direction, or a little to the left, will provide extra effect securing the previous requirements (BW & COG). In this way BW is placed optimally on both legs, and the joints in them are stiffened. Body’s COG is falling between feet or a bit closer to the left foot.

Right Arm Position
Without being unfair to the importance of the other many body parts and the work done by them, the right arm has one of the most important roles in the shooting process. The right arm has to provide the crucial minimum arc of movement of the pistol, bear the weight of the gun, secure the optimal sighting line condition and deal with recoil. This multi tasking cannot be performed successfully without the engagement and support that other parts of the body provide. In order to provide conditions optimal for those requirements, the right arm has to be totally stretched.

This position is necessary for three reasons:

1.Distance between the eye and the aiming elements will always remain the same.
2.Elbow, upper part of the arm and the shoulder build a compact unit with stronger connections.
3.Stretched arm is better at absorbing recoil. This will result, consequently in increased precision.

To allow the right arm to perform best it is necessary to place it in the line that is passing through both shoulders or a bit to the left from that line. This way it provides the best conditions for the static work of all three parts of the deltoid muscle. This will result in the optimal placement of the right shoulder in the lower or middle high position. Very often, we can see the high position of the shoulder and this model will be elaborated in the study case.

Left Arm Position
The shooting position in pistol shooting demands that the left hand and shoulder have an absolutely passive role. Such a role is determined by the fact that we need to produce as many constants as possible in the shooting position and process of firing the shot. By placing the left hand in the pocket or attaching it to the trouser belt, the left arm will keep the same place at each shot process. This will result with a more compact unit arm – shoulder – body, and will increase the body’s balance. The projection of the COG will be aided in moving to an optimal desired area. Such a position will be the closest one to the “immobilizing position”. i.e. “Anatomic Passive Position”.

I hope enough excitement has been created with the above contents…. I would request you guys to log on to the link given below, which has sketches, diagrams, body parts etc. Very Informative!

The Fundamentals of Olympic Pistol Shooting » ISSF Training...
http://www.issf-academy.com/courses/fun ... istol.html
Physiology, psychology, physical preparations, biomechanics, technical engineering and ... many more!

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:50 pm

tirpassion wrote:Sir,
What is TB & FT?

tirpassion

P.S. I meant agn Sir actually because I was never and am still not good in abbreviations.
Arre upacharyaji - please do not "Sir" me - I am a loyal citizen of Mera Bharat Mahaan. ROTFL
TB = Trigger Break and FT = Follow Through. :oops: Thought I could slide it by...but you caught me ;-)

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:14 pm

Dear Brihji, Thank you very much for "The Fundamentals of Olympic Pistol Shooting - By Zeljko Todorovic". Read it once - but as tirpassion says, need to read and re-read it over and again. :-)

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by atulgupta1 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:24 pm

32nd North Zone Championship - Delhi - 9-14 October 2012

- What are the MQS required to participate? Is it the same as GVM (345/400)?
- Am I (member of Chandigarh Rifle Association) eligible?
- Any idea, which dates would AP matches be held in these?

22nd AIGVMSC - Delhi - 3-10 November 2012

- Any idea, which dates would AP matches be held in these?

Guruji, Dev, Tirpassion, AGN, Jitu & others - will you be there in Delhi on these dates? I'd love to meet up with you. Lets exchange phone numbers on PM

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:02 am

hey atul
i think the MQS is 345/400. i am still in the process of getting the forms for NZ. will let you know when i get it.
i agree with AGN the stuff sent by brihaji is very good but will take some some time to absorb and much longer to imbibe.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:40 pm

hey guys the circular for the Northzone is out on the net. last date for filling is 28th Sep. hey Atul Chandigarh guys can very much participate. i have downloaded the form today and am sending it tomorrow to our state assn for countersignature and despatch for the comp. the AP is from 9-12 Oct. so hope one can perform better than the state and achieve qualification for the nationals

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:59 pm

so hope one can perform better than the state and achieve qualification for the nationals
Why hope when you can do it???????????????????????????????????

I am so happy that the NZ is coming up in October. I will qualify for the Nationals in NZ, a month early. Great!!! :D
Your body, mind and soul should be telling this to yourself.
Do not hope! Confide in your own abilities. For that, you need to develop, strengthen and maintain your abilities razor sharp, ready for action, always.
Can I confide in you or should I hope that you are doing it?

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:09 pm

airgun_novice wrote: Dear Brihji, Thank you very much for "The Fundamentals of Olympic Pistol Shooting - By Zeljko Todorovic".
Read it once - but as tirpassion says, need to read and re-read it over and again. :-)


Hi AGN,
> You are welcome anytime :D
> What struck me in this article are the "Sketches" / "Diagrams" that explain to bring home the basic truths to make one understand the fundamentals easily.
> As "tirpassion" advices to read it over & over again - I wish to add "Also Practice" the positions / stance / breathing etc. etc. as much as possible.
> Good luck _ Happy Shooting! :D
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:49 am

Dear Brihaji , Tirpassion
I was pleasantly surprised to read about Zeljko Todorovich. He was my mentor and coach at the ISSF Academy Munich and believe me my whole approach to coaching has its roots in the time we spent exchanging notes. At first meeting he come across as an abrupt person, but once you earn his respect, he is a wondeful person to know and learn from. It was an honour to learn from him and I was humbled by his humility when he asked me questions to which I had a few answers. When i came back from germany, I tried to introduce him to NRAI, since he was free then. later he was picked up by france, his wife is an internation psitol shooter too.
He was a tremendous shooter, a shoulder injury prevented him from further pursuing his career, he then switched to full time coaching. he has been Chief Coach for many countries and our so called coaches and national coaches would probably need to have a brain surgery to enable them to understand the humility, dedication, technical and tactical thoroughness that he has.
I owe this thread to Zeljko and wish him success always.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:52 am

Dear Sir,
so nice to see you surface again :D :D

I remember well your question to me once if I know Mr Todorovich or not. I did not reply precisely because they are at such a high level that is out of range for people like me. He must have been an instructor in an elitist center like INSEP (the national institute of sports education and performance) meant for the training of the 'crème de la crème' of French Sports. All the 15 French shooters of Olympics 2012 were trained there as well as the vast majority of all the Olympic sport participants.

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