IOF 30-06 Rifle
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 1767
- Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:49 pm
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Shooter50,
Like TwoRivers said, NO ONE MAKES A RIFLE BOLT FROM ALUMINIUM. If you fire a centerfire rifle with a bolt made from aluminium,the bolt will fly out and embed itself in your skull.You will be dead or at least badly disfigured.The IOF .315 rifle has the proof load clearly marked on it i.e. 18 tons.Do you think an aluminium bolt will take that.
ALL the rifles made by the IOF, .22,.315,30-06, have bolts made from STEEL.The .315 and 30-06 rifle bolts are hard chromed which gives them a silvery finish.They can be blued but first the chrome has to be taken off.
The IOF 30-06 receiver is made from aluminium which will either have to be anodized or painted.
Like TwoRivers said, NO ONE MAKES A RIFLE BOLT FROM ALUMINIUM. If you fire a centerfire rifle with a bolt made from aluminium,the bolt will fly out and embed itself in your skull.You will be dead or at least badly disfigured.The IOF .315 rifle has the proof load clearly marked on it i.e. 18 tons.Do you think an aluminium bolt will take that.
ALL the rifles made by the IOF, .22,.315,30-06, have bolts made from STEEL.The .315 and 30-06 rifle bolts are hard chromed which gives them a silvery finish.They can be blued but first the chrome has to be taken off.
The IOF 30-06 receiver is made from aluminium which will either have to be anodized or painted.
-
- Almost at nirvana
- Posts: 111
- Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:42 pm
- Location: mumbai
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Hi Winnie,
I got your point,with all due respect You are no doubt more experienced than me with the technicalities of a firearm,However if we check with most successful designs and the most accurate rifle's the recoil lug is embedded perpendicular to the barrel of the rifle and then bolted to the forend,please correct me if I am wrong,sure the rifle design is inherently accurate but do you think that the horizontal bolt that was attached to the recoil lug will do the job after the rifle is used extensively over a period of time.Say after shooting 1000 to 2000 shots(over the period of some years) there is a small gap between the bolt and the recoil lug within the stock there is little that can be done other that glass bed the action in my view,again kindly correct me there if I am wrong,(is it possible to pillar bed the entire section I am sure it can be done but will it be convenient.So if we add a perpendicular screw to the recoil lug and the barrel is embedded to the stock adding pillars that will be a better fit to the forend stock.Secondly in a two piece rifle stock the butt of the rifle will absorb most of the recoil.I have fired shots from the rifle before and then I have used it now ,there is considerable difference in the felt recoil.However I will be testing the rifle on paper this weekend as there was rain and heavy wind to actually test the rifle at my farm.Another person from Kolhapur who has spent most of his life dealing in guns and also has proper knowledge of weapons has done the same and is very happy with the results.Right now the rifle has fixed sights and is zeroed for 50 yards as the rifle without the scope is intended for use well within 200 ft.
Regard's
I got your point,with all due respect You are no doubt more experienced than me with the technicalities of a firearm,However if we check with most successful designs and the most accurate rifle's the recoil lug is embedded perpendicular to the barrel of the rifle and then bolted to the forend,please correct me if I am wrong,sure the rifle design is inherently accurate but do you think that the horizontal bolt that was attached to the recoil lug will do the job after the rifle is used extensively over a period of time.Say after shooting 1000 to 2000 shots(over the period of some years) there is a small gap between the bolt and the recoil lug within the stock there is little that can be done other that glass bed the action in my view,again kindly correct me there if I am wrong,(is it possible to pillar bed the entire section I am sure it can be done but will it be convenient.So if we add a perpendicular screw to the recoil lug and the barrel is embedded to the stock adding pillars that will be a better fit to the forend stock.Secondly in a two piece rifle stock the butt of the rifle will absorb most of the recoil.I have fired shots from the rifle before and then I have used it now ,there is considerable difference in the felt recoil.However I will be testing the rifle on paper this weekend as there was rain and heavy wind to actually test the rifle at my farm.Another person from Kolhapur who has spent most of his life dealing in guns and also has proper knowledge of weapons has done the same and is very happy with the results.Right now the rifle has fixed sights and is zeroed for 50 yards as the rifle without the scope is intended for use well within 200 ft.
Regard's
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
MarkTwain
MarkTwain
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 1767
- Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:49 pm
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
.338 Lapua,
You seem to have read about bedding a Mauser action rifle and applied it to the Sauer 202 rip off that you have.It does not have a recoil lug and does not need one. Bedding it the way you did is bad juju. As far as being happy is concerned,some people are happy if a rifle goes bang.
You seem to have read about bedding a Mauser action rifle and applied it to the Sauer 202 rip off that you have.It does not have a recoil lug and does not need one. Bedding it the way you did is bad juju. As far as being happy is concerned,some people are happy if a rifle goes bang.
-
- Almost at nirvana
- Posts: 111
- Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:42 pm
- Location: mumbai
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
[Bedding it the way you did is bad juju]
I have been reading your posts for quite sometime,you seem to have a liking to criticize others often, though its not bad juju ,can you tell me how is it going to effect the accuracy of the rifle,If you think that the rifle which is a rip off of the sauer 202 does not require a recoil lug then what difference will it make when one add's a lug forward or under the forend.Ok agree you are a an extraordinary human with immense knowledge about rifles handguns and so on
tell me one good reason that will affect the rifles performance when done so.Looking forward for some constructive criticism.And yes I might not be happy if the rifle just goes bang.Thank's.
I have been reading your posts for quite sometime,you seem to have a liking to criticize others often, though its not bad juju ,can you tell me how is it going to effect the accuracy of the rifle,If you think that the rifle which is a rip off of the sauer 202 does not require a recoil lug then what difference will it make when one add's a lug forward or under the forend.Ok agree you are a an extraordinary human with immense knowledge about rifles handguns and so on
tell me one good reason that will affect the rifles performance when done so.Looking forward for some constructive criticism.And yes I might not be happy if the rifle just goes bang.Thank's.
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
MarkTwain
MarkTwain
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 1767
- Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:49 pm
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
.338 Lapua,
Please read about barrel harmonics and you will understand why what has been done is bad juju.As far as criticism is concerned,I thought it has always been constructive
Please read about barrel harmonics and you will understand why what has been done is bad juju.As far as criticism is concerned,I thought it has always been constructive
-
- Almost at nirvana
- Posts: 111
- Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:42 pm
- Location: mumbai
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
winnie I have always read your posts didn't find anything wrong ,Criticism is important and I am still learning.Have read about barrel harmonics I think I understand the fundamentals,however the long bolt that was attached to the lug before and the present are almost at the same place the only thing is that it is attached perpendicular so will that still affect harmonics.the lug is just meant to secure the forend.
http://www.rifle-accuracy.com/harmonics.htm
Regard's
Dhiraj
http://www.rifle-accuracy.com/harmonics.htm
Regard's
Dhiraj
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
MarkTwain
MarkTwain
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 1767
- Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:49 pm
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Dhiraj,
Your rifle is nice to look at.I am sure it gives you great pride of ownership.Enjoy it and forget about grumpy fellows like me.
Your rifle is nice to look at.I am sure it gives you great pride of ownership.Enjoy it and forget about grumpy fellows like me.
-
- Almost at nirvana
- Posts: 111
- Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:42 pm
- Location: mumbai
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Looking forward for your suggestion's friend,And honestly its a great feeling to own a firearm .
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
MarkTwain
MarkTwain
- Safarigent
- Shooting true
- Posts: 991
- Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:52 pm
- Location: Delhi
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Bad juju
Dhiraj,
Dont take it personally man,
Wtp has said something, if you think it is wrong or incorrect, agree to disagree.
When the accuracy results come in, this juju business will clear itself out.
Now that is some good juju.
Juju out
A
Dhiraj,
Dont take it personally man,
Wtp has said something, if you think it is wrong or incorrect, agree to disagree.
When the accuracy results come in, this juju business will clear itself out.
Now that is some good juju.
Juju out
A
To Excellence through Diligence.
-
- Almost at nirvana
- Posts: 111
- Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:42 pm
- Location: mumbai
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
I did not take it personally sir ,sometimes you are aware of someones habit ,its just the curiosity to understand more.Definitely sir looking forward for the results myself hope to get a chance this weekend
Regard's
Regard's
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
MarkTwain
MarkTwain
- Safarigent
- Shooting true
- Posts: 991
- Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:52 pm
- Location: Delhi
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Now thats the juju way to go.
What was the accuracy of your rifle before you got the modifications done?
What was the accuracy of your rifle before you got the modifications done?
To Excellence through Diligence.
-
- Almost at nirvana
- Posts: 111
- Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:42 pm
- Location: mumbai
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
I really did not get to try it that much,However when i tried some fmjs and softpoints from S&B,out of the four shots fired from a distance of say approx 250 ft the rear sight was set between 100 and 200 mtrs,two shots of softpoints hit the target at 4 and 5 o'clock and the two didn't hit the board .I was shooting off a bench ,that's it.My friend owns a place in Vapi and planning to go to his place this weekend and try it out again.Thank's
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
MarkTwain
MarkTwain
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 1526
- Joined: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:11 pm
- Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Yes, you are wrong. What you describe is used only in heavy-recoiling rifles where the recoil lug on the rceiver is not adequate to keep the stock from splitting, and the barrelled action in the stock. You will find it only on bolt rifles chambered for the large African cartridges. And it has to be used on non-bolt single shot rifles, i.e. the falling blocks. Unless there is a fore-arm hanger attached to the receiver. The most accurate rifles are invariably stocked with free-floated barrels. Sauer did a good job on the design of their rifle, IOF copied it. You have re-invented the wheel, but in this case it won't roll..338 lapua wrote:Hi Winnie,
I got your point,with all due respect You are no doubt more experienced than me with the technicalities of a firearm,However if we check with most successful designs and the most accurate rifle's the recoil lug is embedded perpendicular to the barrel of the rifle and then bolted to the forend,please correct me if I am wrong,
Regard's
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 1004
- Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:22 pm
- Location: Gujarat
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
I have finally managed to polish the stock but have yet to wax it. Probably do it after 10-15 days when the oil is completely absorbed and the wood dry.
Meanwhile, I have done no mechanical chages to the gun, apart from free floating the barrel. The stock just has some Uncle Mike's studs and a Pachmayr recoil pad.
Here's what it looks like now.
Safarigent, the other stock that you see in the earlier pic is that of my father's Brno Mod1. Since I had some of the oil left over I decided to repolish it too. It has been gathering sweat, oil and dings from 1958 when my father bought it. Time for a mid life makeover since the 3rd generation is now at it!
Meanwhile, I have done no mechanical chages to the gun, apart from free floating the barrel. The stock just has some Uncle Mike's studs and a Pachmayr recoil pad.
Here's what it looks like now.
Safarigent, the other stock that you see in the earlier pic is that of my father's Brno Mod1. Since I had some of the oil left over I decided to repolish it too. It has been gathering sweat, oil and dings from 1958 when my father bought it. Time for a mid life makeover since the 3rd generation is now at it!
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Justice alone is the mainstay of government and the source of prosperity to the governed, injustice is the most pernicious of things; it saps the foundations of the government and brings ruin upon the realm - Sher Shah Sur, Sultan-ul-Adil.
- Safarigent
- Shooting true
- Posts: 991
- Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:52 pm
- Location: Delhi
Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle
Now that is one handsome rifle.
All the more, because it started life out as an ugly duckling.
One question though, any plans to subdue the muzzleflip?
Do post pics of the brno too
All the more, because it started life out as an ugly duckling.
One question though, any plans to subdue the muzzleflip?
Do post pics of the brno too
To Excellence through Diligence.