Stray dogs kill 10 year old girl in Haryana

[perfectionist1]

Blood boiling...grrr....


Going by the idiot logic of babus, Ban all dogs and have license raj as they have put on bearing guns...since now it is proven Both can kill....... Exception, dogs at thier own will and guns only in the wrong hands.

Polite applause to babus....they all have guns (for self protection dada) and all goondaas/ criminals have one..unlicensed....the common man (read prey) dont have one to protect his daughter/neighbour or self from now even Stray Dogs.

Well in a country where General says there are no bullets and shells in army, my above said must be laughed away.

(Sorry guys I am heart broken).

No cheers....

[rraju2805]

A bit off topic, but seriously crows ate your pigeons

You never saw crows eating pigeons? There were about a group of 10 crows that ate all of our pigeons, they attack the pigeons from top pinning it down in the air (Looks same as when pigeons mate) and hit it's head with their strong beak. Crows are smart and skilled hunter and easily kills pigeons.

I managed to kill 2 of them with slingshot but crows are clever birds, it's hard to put 'em down without air rifles.

You are right priyan.
Crows also kill our chickhens & baby ducks .
THE crows are very clever ,also it is hard to kill a crow with airgun , i try it many time & i was sucessful only few times , if crows once see your rifle then you cannot shoot it. .

I shoot crows from the hiden place... & got success

[essdee1972]

Reminds me of news about gun shootings / killings / firings...... same misplaced hype and hoopla by vested (or at least biased) interests.

Dogs kill a kid (sad, tragic, obviously) = big news, big chatter, 3 pages of comments on a gun site!!! (forget my "friends" on facebook)
So many dogs stoned to death / hit by cars / killed by sarkari diktat across the world = statistics, most often not even that.
So many vehicles kill so many people every day = complete silence, or maybe 2 inches in the local papers.

Ban animals by all means, but alongwith it, ban cars, fast flowing rivers (and ferries), aircraft, why even guns!! First, ban tsunamis and earthquakes - they kill wholesale, how horrible!!!! So why do we (on IFG) favour one killing tool over another? Why are we so ready to pass death sentence on a creature unable to hire lawyers to defend himself? Death sentences are given in rarest of rare cases, aren't they? Not for killing a few chickens and rabbits? I personally cause (indirectly) deaths of at least 4-5 large fish, 2-3 chickens, a goat or so, every week. So, hang me?? A friend of mine had his brother killed by a speeding bike, so he should "take out" all bikers??? (good riddance, if he does it, but it's illegal).

At the end, it's not dogs (or cheetahs for that matter) who are encroaching on our area - we are encroaching on their area - their forest, their veldt, their savannah. If you make slums and highrises in Mumbai's SGNP and then shoot / stone a leopard to death because he has "strayed" into your area, it isn't fair, is it?

Moreover, specifically on dogs, they are the only self-domesticated species in the world. The only creature which, out of its own accord, formed a pact with Man. Every other creature, from cows to horses to pigs to chickens, have had to be caught and tamed by force. (cats are not domesticated, we only like to think they are!!)

For every kid / adult killed by animals, we are making 327 species extinct - EVERY DAY. (Trust me, I am more scared of a 2-legger than a 4-legger)

Why on earth are crows on "hunting permitted list"? They serve an useful purpose, unlike pigeons, whose only contribution to the world is birdshit (apart from being some of the stupidest creatures God has created). But, you can't hunt pigeons, so making it impossible for me to ever kill a real vermin (apart from cockroaches, etc., which don't need an airgun).

Just to clarify, I have been bitten by a monkey and a dog on different occassions, so it's not like "you don't know, buddy, get into our shoes and then comment".

[Priyan]

Dear essdee1972,
I can see you are emotionally attached to dogs and other animals but lemme tell you the truth, in case of dogs and monkeys we are not invading their land, they are invading ours. Once we tried to meet up and with about 300 men we chased the monkeys to forest, by forest I don't mean a small wood, it's Hoollongapar Gibbon Sanctuary and trust me there's enough food for the monkeys. We thought we were finally safe but the next day they came back again, apparently stealing from houses is easier than surviving in the wild. Speaking of stray dogs, you can not rehabilitate them in woods, they'll come back to human settlement again
Killing of leopard by mob is very common here but I can't say I condemn their work since leopards has no business in the metro (Guwahati is the largest city in North-East India).
Hunting of crows is permitted because they are a menace to domesticated birds and rabbits, IDK what you think but chicken and pigeons are edible meat here and by selling them I make money.
Hell, I don't remember the last time I had a good meal, thanks to the animals. Eating these 3 rupees rice is harder than you might think. For now, rice is yellow, not white.
Also should I PM you my address so you can send me a blank check as compensation?

[Sakobav]

Check The Tribune newspaper about such attacks and deaths in Punjab and Haryana. This population needs to be culled neutering - nice thought aint going to happen. like Nagas to chilli and bamboo recipe choice the best. Looks like India has the largest population of useless animals or ferals Dogs and even livestock..the latter can be exported

OT - I was at a big store ( BH New york ) today looking at binocs and scopes when the salesman started talking about dichotomy in India polluting rivers especially Ganga, how could cows be allowed to run amock on streets and wouldnt the Gods be disgusted if river is polluted -- this chap lived in Varanasi and new what he was talking about. A

[timmy]

essdee, maybe I can help you to understand what the differences are between the issues you cite:

Everyone has been driving and had a dog, or squirrel, or other animal run out in front of them on the road. Every now and then, these animals get hit. The evidence of this is often on the pavement for all to see. Among animals, I've accounted for 2 deer, myself. I don't like it. Besides the damage to my car, I don't care at all for the useless waste of life. But it can happen to anyone, and most people understand that. It isn't pleasant, but it's a fact of life and people can empathize with others this happens to, because they realize it can happen to them.

Vehicles do kill a lot of people. Here in the USA, that number is around 40,000 a year. About half of these deaths are alcohol related. Who knows how many are killed now because some goofus is talking on their cell phone or texting when they should be driving. You'd better believe that, if I was King of the USA, I'd cut those drunk driving deaths down to zero. I would simply issue a proclamation that said that, if you kill someone while drunk, you can be found guilty of premeditated murder, because you knew this could happen when you started drinking. By executing drunk drivers, I'd get them out of the gene pool pretty quick. As a lesser punishment, I would order the drunk driver to serve as a slave to the family that lost their loved one, where all his earnings are forfeit. Finally, the minimal punishment would be a lifetime ban on driving -- ever. Drunk drivers who kill would, at the very least, be reduced to serfdom.

Likewise, in the cases of negligence, punishments could be instituted.

None of this will happen, again, because many can imagine themselves hitting someone when they've had something to drink, or hitting someone when they weren't paying attention or by some other means of negligence.

In other words, too many people can visualize themselves doing something like hitting someone while driving, and they don't want to have severe penalties imposed because they can imagine themselves having to endure such punishment for a moment's foolishness or negligence.

By the same token, most people shudder at the thought of getting gobbled up by a pack of feral dogs, or a leopard, or a tiger. Because most people don't have the urges of Hannibal Lector, they can't imagine themselves getting caught for eating someone else, as they probably have very little inclination to do so. Therefore, because they can imagine a very gruesome, painful, and prolonged death getting gobbled up by some animal, or they imagine it happening to one of their children, they get upset.

I am hoping this concept is not too obscure.

Often on IFG, we will have some tense moments between those who like to shoot and hunt, and those who like to shoot, but don't believe in hunting. But here at IFG, we are first and foremost all shooters who believe in the RKBA for all upstanding citizens. So, the place to take the debate between pro and anti hunters is not here. I would hope that you're not the type to pick every soapbox you can find in these forums to debate the pro-anti arguments, or else I suspect we shall have another kind of problem.

[brihacharan]

@ drifter - unfortunately the municipal corporation cannot do much about them. Of course the neutering program isn't very successful as strays breed at a faster pace than they can be neutered. This does present itself as a lucrative business for many NGO's though, who get plenty of funding to engage in this neutering campaign. Cheers!
Abhijeet

> Hey! Ms. Menaka Gandhi & her crony advocate may bung in another PIL against neutering - as according to them this process is "in-canine" (in-human ) and will cause deep trauma to those poor animals
> I think this treatment should be exclusively reserved for the self appointed lawman who in cahoots with her
> Alas - It's no more a man's world - It's a Dog's world
Briha

[essdee1972]

"But here at IFG, we are first and foremost all shooters who believe in the RKBA for all upstanding citizens."

I agree Timmy. Let's take the other discussions over a few beers sometime!! My favorite is Bud, what's yours?

[brihacharan]

Quote "Essdee".......
> Why on earth are crows on "hunting permitted list"? They serve an useful purpose, unlike pigeons, whose only contribution to the world is birdshit (apart from being some of the stupidest creatures God has created). But, you can't hunt pigeons, so making it impossible for me to ever kill a real vermin (apart from cockroaches, etc., which don't need an airgun)

> Looks like a lot heat is being generated in this topic - so let's take a look at the lighte side of it....
> A scientist invented a machine whose invisible rays when directed against 'statues', made them come to life!
> His first public demo was in a town square on the statue of a "General Mounted on a Steed".
> Lo behold the statue came to life - whereupon a local media guy asked the general - what was the 1st thing he would do - now that he has been brough back to life?
> The General's prompt answer was "I WILL PULL OUT MY PISTOL & SHOOT ALL THOSE DAMED PIGEONS"
Cheers
Briha

[timmy]

My favorite is Bud, what's yours?

Essdee, I'm afraid I took in my full quota in my youth! In those days, it was Old Style on tap. (Please, XL, I know what you're going to say to that!) But we can do it over your beer and something else for me!

[mundaire]

> Hey! Ms. Menaka Gandhi & her crony advocate may bung in another PIL against neutering - as according to them this process is "in-canine" (in-human ) and will cause deep trauma to those poor animals

Strange, because their NGO has been picking up strays (in/ around Delhi) and neutering them. I know of one family in west Delhi, who had (informally) adopted a stray. One fine day their chaps came and picked it up for neutering (which they did), and after that kept it confined on their premises. It was several days before they could get the dog released, by which time it had picked up Parvo (probably why they released it, along with the fact that the gent in question is a lawyer himself) and they had a hell of a time nursing it back to health! Hypocrisy at its best!!

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[bhaskar]

I would like to share an incident happened with me last month.. With no intention of hijacking this thread, but to discuss a common issue that most of us would have faced...

I stay in a housing society flat on second floor. On that day I was at home. I was out for some work in afternoon when I returned, my wife asked me to pick up kids form bus stop nearby. When I returned, I saw approx 50 big fat monkeys in our compound, who have covered the entrance and the lift access of the society.. I was escorting 4 other small kids of the society to their homes from the stop.

I asked the care taker and guards to scare off the monkeys with sticks and canes they have... three of them tried their best but instead stepped back after witnessing the aggressive behavior of the monkeys. The guards eventually ran off as this large group chased them. Other society members and mother of these kids started shouting for help, but couldn’t come down as all the access points were covered by these animals. I decided to hold the kids back in the guard rooms. My 4 year old daughter was too scared with all this...

***Edited - Moderator***

The situation got worse, when they almost cornered me and the others ran away. At last when I realized that there is no turning back now, I drew my .32 IOF pistol and shot 3 bullets in air, (not pointing them). With that loud noise monkeys got scared off and started running away, within minutes the compound was clear, and monkeys ran away... and I along with kids reached home.
But for long time I kept on thinking what would have happened if these monkeys have attached me, kids or anyone else?
What if I was unarmed that time?
What if I had to shot any monkey and he would have died?
Was there any other way out..

bhaskar

[mundaire]

A scary situation indeed! Monkeys carry all sorts of deadly diseases (rabies being just one), a scratch or a bite... shudder to think of what they could have done to the kids!

However, if you had shot a monkey and it was injured or worse killed, you'd be in a lot of trouble (legally)!

From your post I gather that firecrackers would have/ could have served just as well. May be an idea to keep some handy - both with the society guards as well as yourself.

IMO you did what you had to, to keep the kids safe... good on you and glad it turned out well!

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[bhaskar]

From your post I gather that firecrackers would have/ could have served just as well. May be an idea to keep some handy - both with the society guards as well as yourself.

Thanks for the firecracker idea! At least I will give a box of last diwali crackers (those hydro bombs) to the guards.

[dev]

The stray dogs in our area chase cars and bikes. One biker almost drove into my jeep out of terror. But the moment you slow down the dogs stop chasing. I think it is the reflex of prey running that excites them. Most dogs can be calmed down by speaking in a low, controlled voice and a healthy dose of pepper spray ;in the colony type of situation. Feral I can't vouch for.