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[mundaire]

airgun_novice, I hope you noticed that ketan82 is listed as "banned" on that thread? The reason for his ban was that this ID was an alter ego of a previously banned member who had been shown the door for misleading members with tall claims, similar dubious business practices, etc.

I for one am not convinced that the IHP power plant can be tuned to the levels claimed above, not to mention the physical impossibility of shoehorning a spring meant for a HW 80 into an IHP 35. Such a claim can have only one origin - ignorance combined with a few google searches.

Consider this, a HW 80 aka Beeman R1 has a much larger compression tube (wider dia and longer in length); even if were to assume that the longer length could have been taken care of by cutting off a few spring coils, how in the world do you get a larger spring into a tube with a much narrower ID?

One thing that I see most people on this forum misinterpret is the goal of "tuning" a springer. The goal of tuning is dictated by smoothness & accuracy NOT power. If in the pursuit of increased smoothness (& accuracy) some increase in power is achieved - fantastic; but do understand that most tuning results in same/ similar or even slightly reduced power! In return you get a much smoother shooter with more accuracy.

Unless of course an air-rifle has been purposely "crippled" due to legal reasons which require a certain power limitation, in which case a spring change to the original/ similar to original specs will give you increased power. Don't confuse this with "tuning", which has a different goal.

I for one simply do not understand the craze for higher and higher power, even at the cost of suspect claims/ outright lies. A ME of 12 ft/ lbs is sufficient for almost all uses you would put an air-rifle to; if you really need POWER, get a REAL FIREARM!

Where the air-rifle outshines everything else is in accuracy potential at short ranges, no firearm can equal the kind of accuracy you can squeeze out of an air-rifle at these ranges. I for one would always go for accuracy over power - any day of the week!

As a matter of fact I have a TX 200 with a 12 ft/ lb spring (as per chrono readings it's producing 10.5 ft/ lbs with FTT pellets), and I have a FAC rated spring for it which I HAVE NOT fitted on it! Why? Because it is a super accurate shooter, smooth as butter and I see no reason to mess with that in the search for more power for which I have no real use.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

P.S. - The above is merely my opinion and sorry if I've tread on some sensitive toes but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade!

[vmanicks]

Well said by Abhijeet.

Personally fine tuning the Air Rifle for Accuracy should be the main motive than thinking off changing the Spring, Washer and ripping the gun apart into pieces and reassembling.

These Air Rifles are manufactured with high standard systems. There is no way we can match it up to that same quality if you don't know the physics of your air rifle.

More power ends up in recoil which in turn loses the accuracy due to the trigger pull and Air Rifles produces Forward recoil and not a backward recoil like a Fire Arm.

[ak27]

I for one simply do not understand the craze for higher and higher power, even at the cost of suspect claims/ outright lies. A ME of 12 ft/ lbs is sufficient for almost all uses you would put an air-rifle to;

The craze for power might only be reasonably attributed to the greed for passing an Air rifle to a Hunting Rifle. Yes Abhijeet, i think if i want to blast off something i should go for a Firearm not an Air Rifle. Air Rifles as i understand them are Precision Instruments meant for accuracy and honing the marksman in oneself and they should be treated as such!

P.S.: No denial that the earliest Air rifles were developed for Hunting and are designed to be lethal weapons!

[brihacharan]

mundaire wrote:
I for one simply do not understand the craze for higher and higher power, even at the cost of suspect claims/ outright lies. A ME of 12 ft/ lbs is sufficient for almost all uses you would put an air-rifle to.

> Very well said! Unfortunately the word "TUNING" has been grossly misunderstood, misinterpreted and wrongly implemented.
> Let it be henceforth understood that "TUNING" is primarily & essentially done to enhance the smooth functioning of an air rifle with 'accuracy' being the prime objective.
> Remember 'no heady feeling' is greater than putting 5 pellets into a 5/8" group at 25 yards. This can happen only if the air rifle is smooth & vibration free to shoot with 'accuracy' as an added bonus!
> Happy Shooting Guys - Believe me when I say "I learned my lesson the hard way" - A lesson well worth learned!
Cheers
Briha

[airgun_novice]

Thanks Mundaire - what you say makes sense. As they said in TX - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Didn't know the history behind ketan82; so didn't realize that the first (last year's) story itself was fake. I stand corrected. Anyway, I am more curious about these makeovers as I have an old Chinese B1 (Industry) springer set out for rejuvenation. Currently, resurrecting it after ~25-30 years of abuse/ misuse/ just about any applicable verb. Hence my curiosity peaks at every re-birth story on IFG. More of emotional returns than I expect from it as an AR. The other two ARs that I have are totally unmodified and so are the APs. No scopes used either; being purely an open sight target-shooting person.

Before I sign out, one Q - does the JM suite deliver all that it claims or rather what the users claim or is it all a tall one ?

[airgun_novice]

Well said by Abhijeet.

Personally fine tuning the Air Rifle for Accuracy should be the main motive than thinking off changing the Spring, Washer and ripping the gun apart into pieces and reassembling.

These Air Rifles are manufactured with high standard systems. There is no way we can match it up to that same quality if you don't know the physics of your air rifle.

More power ends up in recoil which in turn loses the accuracy due to the trigger pull and Air Rifles produces Forward recoil and not a backward recoil like a Fire Arm.

High standards in AR manufacturing would be wrt barrel, receiver, power plant,seals, etc., right ? Of which you substitute a few elements like spring, seal etc. which are manufactured to the same exacting standard by the same or different manufacturer. As long as compatibility exists, I see no reason why the air rifle physics should change drastically in either direction. It's like replacing the 1.5V Sony AAA original battery by 1.5V Nippon AAA when it runs out, right ?

BTW, I am under the impression that the air rifle (springer only) produces backward recoil first followed by forward recoil (more like a reaction to the action, though not necessarily equal in magnitude) depending upon the potential energy harnessed by the spring. This is dampened by by silicone grease (or as I tried with Lithium grease). PCP AP like FWB P34 has tungsten alloy dampeners. IHP N25 (unmodified) that I use, definitely recoils on my shoulder.

[airgun_novice]

[SNIP]
Where the air-rifle outshines everything else is in accuracy potential at short ranges, no firearm can equal the kind of accuracy you can squeeze out of an air-rifle at these ranges. I for one would always go for accuracy over power - any day of the week!
[SNIP]
Cheers!
Abhijeet

P.S. - The above is merely my opinion and sorry if I've tread on some sensitive toes but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade!

ACCURACY OVER POWER any time

[rajveer]

Sirs
I was the one who asked unni.... " what results are u getting in terms of power and accuracay".
as I informed him I have 4 IHP 35 , never felt a need to TUNE them they deliver their job abosuletly fine.
I even have Air arms TX 200, Diana 54, Diana 350 Mag, HW 77, instied of shooting them should I run arround to TUNE them.
Why not TUNE ourself to reach full capacity of the gun, then go for some Charishma.
Regards.

[SUFFIX]

You talk something against JM in one of the American forum you will be BANNED because, they are having some tie up with jm to promote his products.

Personally I like V-Mach over JM anytime. I also like kit from Italian Tuner called Carlo5 (he is another gem). Their product delivers what they promise.

If you are a little mechanical then you will never buy a product from JM after seeing his product. His spring is same quality as stock spring except they are bit tightly seating on the spring guide thus more force.

-Suffix

Thanks Mundaire - what you say makes sense. As they said in TX - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Didn't know the history behind ketan82; so didn't realize that the first (last year's) story itself was fake. I stand corrected. Anyway, I am more curious about these makeovers as I have an old Chinese B1 (Industry) springer set out for rejuvenation. Currently, resurrecting it after ~25-30 years of abuse/ misuse/ just about any applicable verb. Hence my curiosity peaks at every re-birth story on IFG. More of emotional returns than I expect from it as an AR. The other two ARs that I have are totally unmodified and so are the APs. No scopes used either; being purely an open sight target-shooting person.

Before I sign out, one Q - does the JM suite deliver all that it claims or rather what the users claim or is it all a tall one ?

[Basu]

Amazing performance........ hope even Maccarri could not have thought ever.
In all real sense........ too amazing..........
There was other post by a member also, who too got 780 fps in 0.22 , used Maccari products.
That was also very amazing......because previously other members used same products but they seems
to be novice now.

Basu

[saif.tariq_007]

Hello sir, How much did the scope cost you? Even I am planning to mount a scope on my National.

[saif.tariq_007]

Hello sir, How much did the scope cost you? Even I am planning to mount a scope on my National.

[fantumfan2003]

Unni......

Sorry for the late entry into the banter

Frankly, I do not believe your claims.

I would love to come over to see that you have an IHP 35 in .22 "tuned" to give 750 to 800fps with JM internals with smooth cocking and all that.

BTW an XLR2 is meant for a Diana 48/52/54 and its chinese copies and not for an HW80. Don't believe me ? Look here........

http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/cat ... 343594.htm

Looking forward to being proven wrong......

M.

Dear All,

Thanks everyone with ur valuable replies before tuning my ihp was giving me 460 to 520 fps of velocity as per th different weights of pellets are concern.But now after tuning i got 787 to 810fps and the accuracy is outstanding.
All jim maccari stuffs are still available here in mumbai.whatever make of airgun it is the springs and piston seals are available.along with greases & tars.(Low Vibration less cocking effort no cocking noise of the spring)

I use Diana shot 12 grain & Gamo promagnum 15 grain pellets in my IHP superb performance with low cocking effort
of only 40 lbs.The scope installed is Tasco 3-9x-32 illuminated ractical.Also an indian make led torch & laser mounts with laser.All tuning has been done by me itself The spring installed in my IHP is XLR-2 this spring is designed by jim maccari for HW-80 it has 30 coils & the thickness of wire of the spring is 4.5mm.And Large seal(synthetic Also jim make)

Guys it really worth installing jim maccari tuning kit in IHP those who want power go for it.If you guys need any jim maccari kits i can give you the cell no of the person who deals with jim maccari tune kits he is sole importer of jim maccari kits.Pls pm me your contact no for jim maccari kits.

thanks
unni

[fantumfan2003]

M.

[SNIP]
Where the air-rifle outshines everything else is in accuracy potential at short ranges, no firearm can equal the kind of accuracy you can squeeze out of an air-rifle at these ranges. I for one would always go for accuracy over power - any day of the week!
[SNIP]
Cheers!
Abhijeet

P.S. - The above is merely my opinion and sorry if I've tread on some sensitive toes but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade!

ACCURACY OVER POWER any time

[fantumfan2003]

Golden Words indeed.

Unfortunately Magnumitis patients don't understand that a proper tune causes a slight increase power owing to the efficiency of the power plant brought about by the tune itself.

Ohhhh...... the joys of a low power tack driving springer..........PURE BLISS......It is.......

M.

One thing that I see most people on this forum misinterpret is the goal of "tuning" a springer. The goal of tuning is dictated by smoothness & accuracy NOT power. If in the pursuit of increased smoothness (& accuracy) some increase in power is achieved - fantastic; but do understand that most tuning results in same/ similar or even slightly reduced power! In return you get a much smoother shooter with more accuracy.

Unless of course an air-rifle has been purposely "crippled" due to legal reasons which require a certain power limitation, in which case a spring change to the original/ similar to original specs will give you increased power. Don't confuse this with "tuning", which has a different goal.

I for one simply do not understand the craze for higher and higher power, even at the cost of suspect claims/ outright lies. A ME of 12 ft/ lbs is sufficient for almost all uses you would put an air-rifle to; if you really need POWER, get a REAL FIREARM!

Where the air-rifle outshines everything else is in accuracy potential at short ranges, no firearm can equal the kind of accuracy you can squeeze out of an air-rifle at these ranges. I for one would always go for accuracy over power - any day of the week!

As a matter of fact I have a TX 200 with a 12 ft/ lb spring (as per chrono readings it's producing 10.5 ft/ lbs with FTT pellets), and I have a FAC rated spring for it which I HAVE NOT fitted on it! Why? Because it is a super accurate shooter, smooth as butter and I see no reason to mess with that in the search for more power for which I have no real use.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

P.S. - The above is merely my opinion and sorry if I've tread on some sensitive toes but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade!