Tips on Pistol Shooting

[dev]

Dear hvj1 guruji and dev - thank you both for the important tips.
One off the side Q - Nowadays I practice with a used FWB P34 - am thinking of getting me an IZH-46M due to price factor and trade the FWB in. Should I go for it or continue with FWB P34 ?

I don't know much about the FWB P 34, but if it uses compressed air and it shoots fine don't change it.
The Baikal is attractive in terms of price but it takes a while to master due to the weight and the ploughhandle type of grip. You will spend more time carving the grip than shooting and a ready made grip is more expensive than half the cost of the pistol. The surprising trend nowadays is that every air pistol shooter has the latest Morini 162ie or the Steyr lp 10 THANKS TO OUR GOVERNMENT POLICY CHANGE. So why should you limit yourself with the pumping action of the 46m? I shot one for years and I know that it has shortcomings in terms of the dry fire trigger pressure and the trigger pressure with air in it.
As dry firing will be a big part of serious competition practice you will never quite get the hang of it. So shoot the Feinwerkbau and if you are going to shoot for a while, then upgrade to the best possible option.


Regards,

Dev

[hvj1]

As dry firing will be a big part of serious competition practice you will never quite get the hang of it. So shoot the Feinwerkbau and if you are going to shoot for a while, then upgrade to the best possible option.


Regards,

Dev

[Subal das]

always wonna to ask. there is a lot of technical advances in pistols, grips better, amo better, electronic triggers, sophisticated training programs with electronics, but results are down, compare to two decades ago. what is amazing it hapens exactly in pistols, rifle shooters doing just fine. something should be wrong I guess.

[hvj1]

Hello Subal Das,
First and foremost, normally, however sophisticated the technology, the limitations are within the shooter.
Secondly, twenty years ago, the air pistol target 10th ring was slightly bigger. This was reduced and hence the reason for stabilised scores.
Regards

[Subal das]

Hello Subal Das,
First and foremost, normally, however sophisticated the technology, the limitations are within the shooter.
Secondly, twenty years ago, the air pistol target 10th ring was slightly bigger. This was reduced and hence the reason for stabilised scores.
Regards

not sure if it is that simple,

current Olympic record is 590 and world record 594 not so far from Sergei Pyzhianov's 593 points in the first World Cup Final with the new targets, not so much development for 20 years of hard work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_metre_air_pistol

even worse in 50m pistol. world record in 581 of Melentiev's not beaten since 1980, current Olympic record 570 unbeaten for 15 years.

http://www.issf-sports.org/results/reco ... cords.ashx

[hvj1]

World records are set in World Cups and World Championships and regional shooting championships, these occur 3-4 times a year, whereas, the Olympics comes around after every 4 years. Hence WRs are always higher than the ORs.
Also since this is a mental sport, the effort to overcome or set new scores. requires mental strength and stamina. One has to pick up the pistol and take part at the highest level to appreciate the demands of the sport.

[Subal das]

World records are set in World Cups and World Championships and regional shooting championships, these occur 3-4 times a year, whereas, the Olympics comes around after every 4 years. Hence WRs are always higher than the ORs.
Also since this is a mental sport, the effort to overcome or set new scores. requires mental strength and stamina. One has to pick up the pistol and take part at the highest level to appreciate the demands of the sport.

I'm not pistol shooter, my interest purely academical, why results in rifle grown due to technical improvements, but in pistol, which improved a lot technically too, not.

[hvj1]

Hello Subal Das,
The 10 m air pistol target 10th ring is 11.5 mm wide, whereas the 10th ring of the air rifle target is 0.5 mm. Both air pistol and air rifle is shot over the same distance- 10m. So then why do you think there is such a huge difference in width of the 10th ring?
Regards

[dev]

Errr could rifle be a tinsy bit easier? You will have to do some practical tests Subal, to arrive at a conclusion.

[Subal das]

not sure if I made my self clear gents

I'm talking about records, which have been achieved in pistol and rifle. While we can see clearly there is a growth in score in air rifle. there is no growth, but even reduction in average score achieved by leading pistol shooters.

not sure, why kind of practical test I can do, if you can tell me i will try of course. I have some practice, but if I can shoot near the black area in good day that would be good enough for me.

My assumption based on analysis of score in major competitions available through ISSF.

I believe it is question of some practical value. If technical advances in pistol did not bring any good, why not to try to shot those old stile pistols, which were used by hundreds of shooter in 10-15 years ago with much better results and see what happens.

For example trigger and grip of pistol used by Melentiev to achieve 581, is nothing what we can see in today pistols. Also he used 1200 g trigger during trainings. He used blind shooting a lot. He achieved average score 9.8 without seeing target in 10 shots. I think by looking into practice of those great shooters we can find some answers on how to improve performance of Indian shooters today.

[CKAY]

Hi hvj1 ,

Which Pistol would you suggest Morini or the Steyr LP10 . Also electronic trigger or manual.

JK

[airgun_novice]

Dear hvji guruji,

Kindly excuse if this Q has been posed before (probably by Jitu) and answered. I could not find any reference to it hence the query.
While I shoot in a bunch - I usually shoot lots of 10/ 15/ 20 on *one* target page just to see how the grouping's improved or if it tends to go haywire. I mensurate myself to 40 shots over 1 hr and 10 min.

1. I observe that at least a couple of shots go way deep into the white area - sometimes as far away as ring #5. I try hard to bring the flyers back on my next paper target but fail to do so - in fact, the more actively and consciously I try to do it, I end up adding a couple more on rings # 5 or 6.

2. Typically, I end up with 77-78% scores - though on a good day (didn't have those many lately) - I end up on the other side of 80 but am yet to break the 85% goal that I have set for myself. Why 85% ? It's a couple of points above MQA for AP as per NR.

On the flip side, my tailbone seems to be making its presence felt more strongly and as a result (or "excuse") my physical conditioning has dipped. Add to that the rains in Mumbai-Thane - so long walks are out of question. I also seem to be visiting the range less these days again due to tailbone ache aggravated by traffic time doubled these days thanks to potholes and rains and MMRDA's sudden spurt in infra acts. So I usually end up practicing at home off and on.

On the positive side, outta 40, 6-8 seem to hit the #10 or #10+ ring, and almost equal number in the #9 ring.

I am very keen on breaking the jinx before the Captain Eizekel etc. Really appreciate any and all the pointers and criticism (which I am sure will be more) in that direction. I thank you in all humility.

[shadowring]

Thanks for the wonderful tips, I learned alot of new things about shooting. I wonder how these techniques will apply in case of hunting.

[airgun_novice]

He used blind shooting a lot. He achieved average score 9.8 without seeing target in 10 shots. I think by looking into practice of those great shooters we can find some answers on how to improve performance of Indian shooters today.

Dear Subal,
Could you please enhance a bit on blind shooting part - I could not draw up any proper inference or reference from google search. Interested in knowing what it is, how it's carried out and how to go about practicing it. Thanks a ton in advance.

[airgun_novice]

Dear Guruji,
"Why hast thou forsaken me ?" - Before someone nails me to a cross - let me revert to more current lingo.
Just wondering if you have had a chance to go through my "jinx" and have any "lemon-chillies" for me to tie ?
BTW, since the last post on the topic, I shot set of 40 twice and the #10 and #10+ count fell to total of 6 (i.e. 6/80)
Thanks a ton and Regards,
A.