IOF 30-06 Rifle

[saleem]

"Hee... hee... now we have the IOFB Alaska version, synthetic stock to last as long as the 100,000 rounds barrel. But still the rifle is fun to shoot or maybe it's just the 30 06 caliber that is nice to shoot."
righ said friend, cos if the 30-06' had'nt bin fun to shoot it would'nt have been a legend, at 300+meters it strikes down targets like a bolt of lightning, and without any substantial recoil to the shooter. i find it smooth as silk, even enjoy shooting 1rupee coins at 25 meters. i personally find the brand new IOF 30-06 better than any imported 30-06. will choose an 18 year old desi girl any day against a 50 year old foreigner "buriah".

[yashhuvenkat]

And the bolt looks like it has been stuck on with epoxy.Sights seem to be from the .22 as is the wood for the stock(it's walnut but the cheapest version of it.Bought at high rates no doubt) and the rail for mounting the forward sling swivel.For sale at about $ 1875/-

penpusher

[abii]

which is the best scope for 30-06??long range..like 300-400mts

[Katana]

For 300 meters, a 3-9x40 should suffice but for a distance greater than that try a 4-12x40. But be warned that it will narrow your field of vision.

[winnie_the_pooh]

For 300 meters, a 3-9x40 should suffice but for a distance greater than that try a 4-12x40. But be warned that it will narrow your field of vision.

A fixed 4x scope was considered sufficient at one time to hit a human target at 600 meters.A fixed power scope is going to be of a better quality and tougher than any of the junk variable scopes that are being sold in India.

[Katana]

Winnie,

Agree with you completely, but fixed power scopes are difficult to come by in India. Moreover, there seems to be a bias against fixed power scopes amongst us here. At least that is my observation. I'm seeing this even among airgunners, where they want a really fancy massive looking scope where none is required.

[TwoRivers]

Even sniper rifles in WWII, and after, managed with 2-1/2X and 3X scopes. It seems that nowadays you longer mount a scope on your rifle, but instead hang a rifle underneath your 6-42X power, 56mm objective scope. Can't imagine how we ever got along with 2-1/2 power scopes.

[Vineet]

I would be buying IOF .30-06 in few days time after my paper work gets complete. Which model should I buy 2010 or 2011? Both models are available in market.Can anyone tell whats the difference between the two? It would be really helpful if some gun dealer members here like ankit.arora or someone else can post pics of 2010 and 2011 model for all of us to see and compare.

[The Doc]

I would be buying IOF .30-06 in few days time after my paper work gets complete.

Did you dispose off your Eddystone 30.06 ? Faced any problems with it ? I suppose IFG member Katana would be able to guide you better regarding your 2010-11 model query .

best,
Rp.

[shooter]

It seems that nowadays you longer mount a scope on your rifle, but instead hang a rifle underneath your 6-42X power, 56mm objective scope.

[Vineet]

Did you dispose off your Eddystone 30.06 ? Faced any problems with it ?

Presently its with me but I am thinking of selling it and the reason is the barrel worn out. I did a bullet test on the rifle.I inserted a soft nose cartridge made by S&B inside the barrel from the muzzle end and saw that only 1 mm of the bullet remained outside. I went to a gun shop and tried the same expriment on IOF .30-06 and was surprised to see that the cartridge fitted a lot tighter and 3.5 mm of the bullet remained outside the barrel.

Then I did a search on google regarding barrel worn out. Most of them said that a .30-06 barrel life is around 4-5,000 rounds. The Eddystone rifle is 90+ years old, have gone through world wars and it is possible those many rounds must have gone through it.So I am thinking when I can have a rifle with 100% grooves in 1L (85K for rifle + 8K for re-bluing + 7K for 5 shot magazine) why to keep a rifle with around 50% grooves worth 2L.

Am I making the right decision? Senior members please guide me through this.

Here is the pic of the bullet test on my rifle. It would be helpful if members who own IOF .30-06 can post similar pic for comparison.

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[TwoRivers]

Vineet: Wear at the muzzle usually comes from too much, and incorrect, cleaning. The "tried and true" method of checking the muzzle with a bullet, only tells you that the bullet is of the approximately same caliber as the rifle barrel, nothing else. Your 1917 Enfield may well have some muzzle wear, but the proof of the pudding, in this case, is in the shooting. When the military checks barrels, they do it with gauges specific to the caliber, and style of rifling. Made out of tool steel, ground to least tolerances. Not with a bullet of unknown dimensions, made of a soft alloy, and produced in the millions. Did you use a micrometer to determine bullet diameter at point of contact?, do you know what the bore specifications for either rifle are?
So shoot your rifle carefully from a good rest, before you decide that the rifle is worn out. But if you just want an excuse to buy a new rifle, and can sell yours at a good price...

[Kittu]

hi vineet the bore diameter of of 30/06 is 7.62 between land to land and bore diameter is 7.82mm between grooves so you only gets .20 of a mm land height to use before it wears out.the bullet diameter at neck of of bullet is 7.85mm.i saw pictures the main fact the whole bullet could not go inside because of neck diameter that is 7.85mm.that means the grooves(lands) are not even 25% so it will be wise to sell as the accuraccy is fadded away.you can keep it with you to fire targets under 300 yards thanks

[TwoRivers]

Ashok: The M1917 uses Enfield type rifling, with a minimal groove depth of .005", five grooves. Do we know that the barrel was originally not at maximum dimensions, with .302" bore diameter?
With the dimensions you give, land height, or groove depth, is .10mm, not .20mm. Maximum bullet diameter is 7.85mm, but that is NOT necessarily its diameter at the case mouth. Normal tolerances allow a diameter .003" (.0078mm) smaller. Without actually measuring the diameter of the bullet you are using as a gauge, you don't have any viable information.

And how do you conclude "that means the grooves(lands) are not even 25%"? Not that the depth of the grooves has anything to do with the "measurement" taken with a bullet of unknown diameter. The rifle may well have wear at the muzzle. But without knowing the condition of the rest of the bore, and a shooting test, conclusions such as you draw are premature at best. Are you, perchance, in the market for an M1917?

[Kittu]

Dear two rivers I agree with you tha we only gets .10mm land height as we have to use all sides of lands.l know its a m1917 enfield design but one thingh u should know that when supply fell short of m1903 US government orderd eddystone and other rifle compnies who were making rifles for england in .303R cartridge which had five grooves.when these compnies started to make rifle fo US they manufactured it to accept standard US m1906 ball round.they did all the altration necessory to accept m1906 round.and the rifles were rebarreld too and it was made in original dimensions of 30 caliber rifle the did not modify a rifle which was chambered for 303 round.m1917 chambered for 30 round has 4 grooves insteed of five.as far using a bullet for measurement it concern it gives u a roughly idea about barrel and if some one is using a 30 rifle for measuring he will use 30 bullet to measure and dia meter of bullet are same.i also had m1917 in 98 sold to a dealer because it was too heavy to carry.l got all this knowledge from a book named rifles of world written by some smith brothers in 1948 or 1958 I cnt remember now.the book belonged to my relative l will try to find the book and once I get hands on that I will send you electric version of book thanks