HARTMANN & WEISS 9.3X74R Double Rifle.

[Vikram]

Bespoke,

Please do send me the details.Would like to know.

Thanks for the links.The Trap SXS guns you speak of are most probably live pigeon shooting guns,the earlier version of the present day Trap shooting.Many continental gun makers still produce live pigeon guns.The H&H boxlock looks to be a Birmingham trade gun built for H&H.I could be wrong. I am aware of Holloway and Naughton,though I have not seen this particular offering.

Yes, we all are entitled to our opinions.Free speech and all.I am not an expert.Trying to learn. We can pick up the discussion on the London gun makers on a different time.This was about the sidelock Vs Boxlock. Thanks for sharing your inputs anyway.

Best-
Vikram

[eljefe]

Hey,all you guys!
Come back here, this thread needs a lot of inputs
far better we talk of back bar and round actions and the availability of Best English guns for skeet and trap, rather than generalisations on maruti hard top makers and carpenters turning cast off or On butts.
I'd love to own a a Badminton or a Boss, but am a lousy shotgunner and allowed my self a splurge on a Franchi Elcione. WOOD furniture in a year, am on about 16-19/20 birds. All my reservations on shotgunning are gone-I CAN hit a clay bird...
Now, back to DG doubles please.

[hks2056]

Vikram wrote

"There are reasons why top shooters shoot certain brands.Economics play a huge role".

I would modify the above statement to reflect the correct intent as follows:-
"There are reasons why top shooters shoot certain brands. Winning the championship plays a huge role"

The reason for modification is simple and common sense based.
a] Top shooter ares supremely dedicated to the sport otherwise they would not have become one.
b] By dint of hard labour, flair, year around practice and expert coaching they do their best to retain ranking so as to qualify as top shooter.All this involves great deal of expenditure in money terms and man hours.
c] So therefore they do not compromise on the gun they choose to compete in the tournament. The name of Brand of guns used to win world class tournaments are already in the public domain.

[eljefe]

still didnt answer my question...

[Vikram]

Vikram wrote

"There are reasons why top shooters shoot certain brands.Economics play a huge role".

I would modify the above statement to reflect the correct intent as follows:-
"There are reasons why top shooters shoot certain brands. Winning the championship plays a huge role"

The reason for modification is simple and common sense based.
a] Top shooter ares supremely dedicated to the sport otherwise they would not have become one.
b] By dint of hard labour, flair, year around practice and expert coaching they do their best to retain ranking so as to qualify as top shooter.All this involves great deal of expenditure in money terms and man hours.
c] So therefore they do not compromise on the gun they choose to compete in the tournament. The name of Brand of guns used to win world class tournaments are already in the public domain.

George Digweed or Saeed Al-Maktoum or Major Rathod can shoot the same with different makes provided that they are of similar quality. The very top shooters in the west are paid to shoot a particular brand.If you want to go even further, the lowly Baikal won world championships.If your logic is applied, compared to those Baikals, the Berettas and Perazzis are what the London Bests are to the latter.Beat that.

It has been explained in no few words that why the London Bests cost what they do and have little relevance to your argument.If you like to have further replies,please do us justice and address the issue we raised.Thanks.

Best-
Vikram

[eljefe]

Issue one- what GUN do you own?

[shooter]

Just for the record, muhammed Al-makhtoum is a multi billionaire, his claim to fame being he was the guy who defeated rathore and won the gold in athens.

He used a beretta 682!

On the other hand Saeed, another multibillionaire, shot in the world cup with a sxs best gun an made the finals!!

Just wanted to share the info. So are we back to square one or what?

BTW A friend of mine is into cars and is filthy rich. I suggested he take a rolls royce phantom to the himalayan car rally. He laughed it off and took a gypsy instead.

Must make a gypsy a better car than a rolls.

[Vikram]

Saeed Al-Maktoum, another multibillionaire, shot in the world cup with a sxs best gun an made the finals!!

Best-
Vikram

[MoA]

Will it group in the zeros?

[rraju2805]

NICE & CUL.....

[sa_ali]

I am loving this , huge knowledge flowing out it. I had always wondered the same, that why H&H is not the preferred choice of the Top Shooters, lot of shooters are very well of and they go to great extend to get that perfect gun. They do get huge amount of customizations on thier guns, which does that they are not directly used of the shelf.

Who would be better in customization than the H&H, WR or similar high grade makers.

Must make a gypsy a better car than a rolls.

That really brings it to square 1

[hks2056]

Shooter wrote
‘”On the other hand Saeed, another multibillionaire, shot in the world cup with a sxs best gun an made the finals!!;”

I find that the above statement is factually incorrect. As per evidentiary records he has not reached the “Finals” OF ANY WORLD CUP EVER. One can read the following official websites to confirm
[A] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ara ... r_Olympics
• Saeed Al Maktoum
o Qualification: 114 points (37th overall, did not advance)
http://www.china.org.cn/olympic/2008-07 ... 097124.htm
Ahmed Al-Maktoum is a hero in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), not because he is descendant of Dubai's ruling family, but as he won the first Olympic gold medal for the oil-rich Middle East Asian country.
When another session of Olympic Games is drawing near, however, the shooter who arrived at Beijing on Monday said his expectation had changed.
"I came here because I won the quota, and it's an honor to be at the Olympics, but I didn't expect anything," he said.
Al-Maktoum believed his family had talent in shooting. His grandfather and his father all loved shooting. His cousin Saeed Al-Maktoum was gold medalist at the Asian Shooting Championships in 2003 and runner-up at the Doha Asian Games in 2006.
[C] http://www.issf-sports.org/results/worl ... linkid=300
128 shooter for Trap are ranked in the list. Several Indian Shooters are listed. Ranking of skeet shooters is even longer. Saeed Al-Maktoum`s name does not figure in the rankings. For winning the gold medal at the Asian Shooting Championships in 2003 and for being runner-up at the Doha Asian Games in 2006 he did not use side by side shotgun. I am very curious to see any evidence of his making it to any World Cup Finals. I am equally curious to see any evidence of his using SXS in the matches in which two medals were won by him in Asian level competitions.

[shooter]

I find that the above statement is factually incorrect. As per evidentiary records he has not reached the “Finals” OF ANY WORLD CUP EVER. One can read the following official websites to confirm
[A] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ara ... r_Olympics
• Saeed Al Maktoum
o Qualification: 114 points (37th overall, did not advance)
http://www.china.org.cn/olympic/2008-07 ... 097124.htm

oh my bad, should have relied on the website rather than watch the world cup live.

[shooter]

Dear HKS, on a more serious note please elaborate the " " around the world cup.

All the reference you give your supposed confidence as evidenced by being rude and shouting (yes thats what fully caps stand for) are irrelevant.

Please note the difference between the olympics and world cups.

Please also familiarise yourself about world cup laws and how they work an how the top 6 shooters enter the finals.

Using strong words like ever and shouting at the top of your voice doesnt change facts.

If your personal search about something doesnt yield enough cut-and-paste material doesnt mean the thing never happened.

There are thousands of people the world over who watch shooting world cups if youre not one of them then learn to listen to others who might do.

[aglover]

There is a purpose why we come here-to share and learn.Calling names (and dropping names) hardly befits us.

Best-
Vikram