15 lakhs ka boom

[winnie_the_pooh]

Vikram,

From what I could gather in case a 'conventional' rifle lets go,it is at the breech.When a Blaser lets go, for what ever reason,the bolt shroud tries to become a part of the users skull.

I am sure MoA is going to straighten me out

[Vikram]

Vikram,

From what I could gather in case a 'conventional' rifle lets go,it is at the breech.When a Blaser lets go, for what ever reason,the bolt shroud tries to become a part of the users skull.

I am sure MoA is going to straighten me out

Aha! I am not aware of that quality.Will try to find out more. Will have to bother Herr Grumpuss Rumpuss Maximus.

I wonder what our American friends have to say.Tim,Tworivers,XL?

Best-
Vikram

[Bespoke]

Vikram,
I agree with you a responsible corporation cannot afford to (morally and financially) bring a faulty product to market.

This being said yes most of the blowups are because of human errors but we have to understand that all of us commit mistakes at some point of time and the rifle should be able to handle some sort of errors to some extent like faulty ammo and what I have read about Blaser’s is that they do not take mistakes very well and punish the shooter right away. No all accidents have been with reloaded ammo or clogged barrels some have used factory ammo. What I have read is that any straight locking system if fails comes back to your face like a rocket and its simple physics.

My personal opinion is there are too many accidents which involved Blaser’s for me to trust it and for the price of Blaser’s there are much better options in the market.

[captrakshitsharma]

I think we cant just trash blasers .. they are fine guns. Any gun can blow if mishandled and for multiple reasons or if misused improperly handled .

[Olly]

Will have to bother Herr Grumpuss Rumpuss Maximus.
Vikram

[/quote]


Yeah, sure....nice coinage there, Vikram !!!

[MoA]

Winnie I have never had a Blaser let go so cant speak to that.
In any weapon failure dependent on the cause the bolt can try to become a part of your skull or not. It really depends on the type of failure and design.

With the Ross rifles it was common to have the bolt come flying back. However with the Blaser and other straight pull rifles I cant comment much since accidents are not my speciality.

[timmy]

I am recalling many years ago, at "Ye Olde Rifle Shoppe" when I lived in Montana, that there was a 788 Remington bolt laying about. Perhaps some of you are familiar with this action: it had 9 rear-mounted locking lugs in 3 rows of 3, with the bolt handle serving as a safety lug. On the bolt I refer to, the lugs were sheared off completely, as was the bolt handle.

It seems that someone touched this particular 788 off and the bolt in question traveled through part of the shooter's skull. He wanted to sue Remington and was asking my friend, the shop owner, to serve as an expert witness. (The shooter, as is plain now, did live, but was very messed up, although I never saw this person.)

It turned out that the fellow was shooting reloads and admitted he might have gotten his rifle powder mixed up with 2400. That would do it!

I can't imagine a modern, proof tested action giving way due to a fault. I'm not talking about shooting reloads, or barrel obstructions -- I mean a failure in the materials or construction of the rifle. As long as there were no faults in the barrel, if factory ammo shed a jacket and plugged a barrel, then that, to me, would be the ammo maker's fault and they would be on the hook for a new barrel. But the action letting go? That sounds like a reload issue to me.

If the error is on the part of the shooter, such as a reload or a barrel plugged by mud or something like that, I find no fault in the rifle at all. Already, our US rifles are made super-strong because of nit-wits who bungle reloads and then sue the manufacturer because of the results of their incompetence. I think that such types should be sent to jail for 10 years for frivolous lawsuits. There's no reason everyone else should have to lug an extra 1/2 or 1 pound of rifle around just because of bunglers.

Some people may be reluctant to shoot a Blaser because they don't feel comfortable with what they see or read. That's fine for them. I like Mosins and SMLEs, and would love to have a Colt Sauer, but many wouldn't touch any of these with a 10 foot pole. Also, I think an M98 action would be sufficient for most anything I'd want an action for, but again, others want something more modern. If the weapon is being chosen for personal preferences, then that's fine.

I would want to see a lot more evidence than just a web posting before I wrote something off, personally speaking.

[dr.jayakumar]

15 lacs to get your skull holed.anyhow i haven't seen any indian get hurt.probably they don't use at all.

[airguns]

50 Lakh cars go kaboom, we die, yet we all drive day-in-day out. Worry not, keep shooting them 15 lakh pieces, much lower probability of gun going kaboom, versus getting kaboomed by our chariots .

[winnie_the_pooh]

50 Lakh cars go kaboom, we die, yet we all drive day-in-day out. Worry not, keep shooting them 15 lakh pieces, much lower probability of gun going kaboom, versus getting kaboomed by our chariots .

Do tell me which cars go ka boom.Would want to avoid them.Burnt to a crisp is not my idea fun.Same principle applies to rifles

[airguns]

50 Lakh cars go kaboom, we die, yet we all drive day-in-day out. Worry not, keep shooting them 15 lakh pieces, much lower probability of gun going kaboom, versus getting kaboomed by our chariots .

Do tell me which cars go ka boom.Would want to avoid them.Burnt to a crisp is not my idea fun.Same principle applies to rifles

All machines, including cars, guns etc., malfunction, sometimes with tragic consequences. Yet the probability is low and we should not worry excessively, just accept it as a fact of life. Too much worrying and overanalysis makes a person paranoid, so just accept the risks and keep on living.

BTW, some Tata Nano's have been reported to kaboom, so have been Ford Explorers (faulty bursting tires) in the 1990's and lately Toyotas, including 50 lakh Lexuses (unintended acceleration).

[winnie_the_pooh]

airguns,

In case of firearms you would want that the system has a way of shielding the user from serious harm when an accident does happen.The fact of the matter is that these accidents did happen.The fact is that when they happened the bolt shroud went back and caused injuries to the head of the user.In case of a conventional system of locking the bolt,the injuries seem to be confined to the parts of the body close to the breech mainly the hand/s.I have not seen any in which the bolt has flown out of the action.

As far as Balser is concerned and their response to these accidents,do you expect anything else.These sort of incidents seem to be rare enough for the company to ignore it and the consumer to declare those injured as idiots who had it coming.When people reload there is always the possibility of a mix up.I believe it can happen to even the most careful reloader.There was a news some years back of an experienced reloader messing up and dying after the bolt of his Navy Lee did a Blaser Factory ammo also can have variables.

As far as the tests are concerned in which the Blaser is shown to have passed with flying colours,I would like to point out that in accidents attributed to the Blaser,it has generally happened after a couple of shots.

[eljefe]

Someone, elsewhere , posted a translation and what stood out was:
"The LORD of the opening" in the translation- possibly ,the bolt? whatever, its an appropriate transliteration...

-- Thu May 19, 2011 8:48 am --

Vikram,

From what I could gather in case a 'conventional' rifle lets go,it is at the breech.When a Blaser lets go, for what ever reason,the bolt shroud tries to become a part of the users skull.

I am sure MoA is going to straighten me out

Gimme a Mod 98 Mauser, or a weakling like a SMLE- I'd settle for a known devil... etc

[captrakshitsharma]

Guys this post has made some people very upset..(if u know what i am saying)

[Vikram]

(if u know what i am saying)

No.