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[sagar]

Hello All members,
Chinese products have entered into many segments, Some Make/Model are really Good while there are also substandard/low Quality goods.
A humble Request to all, Do post in your Experiences related with Guns/Ammo/Accessories etc. So as to provide Knowledge regarding the products & its manufacturer.

Thanks & Regards

[timmy]

A number of Chinese firearms are marketed under the Norinco brand, which, as I understand it, does not actually make anything, but handles the marketing and distribution for the output of Chinese arms factories. That said, my Chinese made arms are:

NHM 91: this is essentially an AK with a 20 inch barrel. The barrel is said to be a heavy barrel, but I can't really see any difference between it and normal AK-type weapons with regard to thickness. The wood stock that came with it is hideous, and I am using a Choate stock which is very nice. The quality of manufacture is OK, nothing exceptional, but there's nothing wrong with it, either.

SKS: Mine was modified by the distributor into a "paratrooper," which has a 16" barrel. (That's what I wanted.) It is pretty well made and there's nothing wrong with it at all. Quality wise, I would say it is a slight cut above the NHM91. The wood stock is nothing much to write home about, as it is also a soft wood. However, retaining it keeps the SKS very short (about 37 inches long overall), so I have retained it.

Norinco 213: This is the TT33 adapted to shoot 9mm Para. The finish is not very smooth - you can see wavy polishing and the bluing isn't the greatest. However, there's nothing wrong with the gun as a serviceable tool. It operates flawlessly and dos all one might expect. It isn't finished like an old Colt, Winchester, or even S&W, but it is completely usable. One thing about the gun that was modified for US standards is the addition of a safety. The safety is a joke. The original Soviet design had no safety, and I think that any TT33 or derivative is best left that way. There's really no way to add a good, reliable safety to one of these cheaply and effectively. So I don't consider the safety to be a negative point for the gun, just a silly law to avoid lawsuits and give do-gooders something to pester the government for.

I would not consider any of these three substandard or low quality. The finish may not be up to the levels that US-made guns were at 30 or 40 years ago, but the weapons work fine.

[vrohan59]

The only experience I've had with Chinese manufactured arms & ammo;I own a Norinco made .22 air rifle(its designed for training troops on the AK series of weapons,finishing is quite good,but the quality of the timber leaves a lot to be desired!),fired the Type56 rifle(AK copy),functions pretty well,but as pointed out the finishing too isn't something too great,but they function;the TT33 copy,in .30TT,in9mm para,and.32(the .32 version is named M20,if I remember correctly).By the way I've fired quite a few Chinese made 9mm and 7.62*39 ammo,the misfire rate is much lower than IOF!!!!
Regards
Rohan

[fantumfan2003]

One observation is that sevral manufacturers manufacture the same model under different names and with varying quality standards.

While cost and price of any item seem to be the deciding factor for everything these days, which is why made in china seems popular....the older American and European products are still up there at the top in the quality/price scenario.......

M.

Hello All members,
Chinese products have entered into many segments, Some Make/Model are really Good while there are also substandard/low Quality goods.
A humble Request to all, Do post in your Experiences related with Guns/Ammo/Accessories etc. So as to provide Knowledge regarding the products & its manufacturer.

Thanks & Regards

[cottage cheese]

the TT33 copy,in .30TT,in9mm para,and.32(the .32 version is named M20,if I remember correctly).

You're misinformed there Rohan... there is no .32 version of the TT Chinese or otherwise. 7.62x25 or 9mmPara only.

The M20 is the export nomenclature for the Type 54 (Which is a plain copy of the TT33)

The 'M' prefix was applied to the family of infantry small arms for export purposes:
M20 - TT33 Copy
M21 - SKS copy
M22 - AK47 Third model-Fixed stock copy.
M213 - TT in 9mm

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