MAKING IOF RESPONSIBLE TO THE COMMON INDIAN

[veeveeaar]

Friends , Why is that we IFGians do not take on IOF head on as a forum and ask IOF to make all CIVILIAN related arms and ammo specifications to be made public. This should include all drawings , limits and tolerances,manufacuring methods,suppliers, costing , pricing , spares , service charges, service outlets, time frames. We as our friends have already Quoted, are BEGGARS , who cannot be choosers, but are being made to pay from our bleeding noses with blood. It is high time that we as a FORUM, call on IOf to make public ALL their CIVILIAN related arms and ammo DETAILS, and also serve them with MRTP act notices, as they do not in any way seem to be answerable to their products and its performances. 1)When there is an ordinance factory in almost every state or region , why cant there be a sales outlet and a service point in each one ?,2) Why cant we test, choose and buy, and not take as ALMS of what is given to us for what we have payed for in advance ,IN SUBDUED SILENCE 3)Why is there no MRP on govt produced products esp. ammo? 4)Why is there no public info on production schedules and availability? 5)Why is that IOF junk is priced as gold and supplied to the innocent CIVILIAN when an IMPORTED weapon for the GOVT is procured at a fraction of the cost of IOf price? 6) why is CIVILIAN category arms and ammo supplied to non military or non police GOVT. departments. when there is a huge surplus stock of serviceable weapons . ? Is there an unknown SCAM underway? I think that as patriotic INDIANS we , as true IFGIANS should confront IOF had on and bell the cat. JAI HIND

[hvj1]

VVR
Name one govt. institution which has hitherto invited suggestions for improvements and then have focussed their efforts to improve.

[abhrankash]

Actually HVJ 1 Sir,
They are the ultimate govt.Officials with callous attitude towards the hard earnings of the general public
they think that the Idiot netas and babus are more important than the lives of general public.

I came to know from a confidential source that they are using 30yrs old design neither this has been revised nor any kind of R&D has been done yet to improve the performance.

[cottage cheese]

I came to know from a confidential source that they are using 30yrs old design neither this has been revised nor any kind of R&D has been done yet to improve the performance.

Bro ... its worse that you've been led to believe....

Lets take a look at the vintage designs that our IOF is peddling as state of art:

1) .22LR revolver - Loosely based on a generic S&W small frame design approximating the S&W J-Frame - design dates back to the 1950's
2) .32 Revolver - a scaled down clone of the Enfield MkIV revolver, which in turn was a simplified Webley. Design dates back to the 1920's
3) .32 Ashani - An amalgamation of the Colts M1903 (frame) and FN Browning M191(Slide) - The designs are over a hundred years old.
4) .22 Sporting rifle - A crude copy of the Brno Mod 2. Design dates back to the 50's
5) .315 Sporting Rifle - Well, its a stripped down SMLE... the basic design dates back to 1895
6) 12Bore Pump Action - It's a crude copy of the Mossberg 500 which was introduced in 1961
7) 30-06 sporting rifle... this seems to be the only "modern" design .... which again, is a plain piracy.

Now this is not to state that old designs are crap or anything... it's just that the IOF charlatans don't know a thing about finesse.... and of course there's the less than likable QC lumped up with those exorbitant prices.

Of course all the rubbish above is being touted by IOF as 'state of art'...thats when I begin to boil.

regards,
cc

[abhrankash]

IOF has got nothing but they have the constitutional rights to manufacture a fire arm but I can bet that I can give you better design and better guns in aspect of aesthetics and performance.

If you are making copy of some guns its ok, but the performance with sub sonics bullets must be the same of the parent gun from which the copy has been made from.

they are having the tool room which is of 1960,
Still now they are going with the old machineries and the old set up
in the case of process engineering result is a big ZERO (maximum material moments)
all the funds they received in the name of machine overhauling that goes to the pockets of babu.
this is the latest news received from IOF BADMAL (ORISSA)

[veeveeaar]

Brothers ! It is not the copy or the NEW or whatever you name it .It is about the quality vis a vis the cost of these SUB STANDARD products that we are being R..PED. with. These scoundrels issue tenders for these outsources at exorbitant rates and pocket a hefty cut and pass the burden on us. I suspect that the .32 iof revolver barrel is made of cast iron and not steel . The rifling are starting to vanish. If i have to get it repaired / replaced or inspected, as per the terms of sale, I have to take it to FGF Kanpur. Imagine the formalities and the cost.If a good gunsmith is given the task , he will need specifications and drawings . This being a TOP SECRET design ,it is impossible to procure. The 30-06 is a outright a copy of SIG SAUER 202 Model , for which you can get exploded part drawings and spare part numbers and also replacements on request FROM SAUER'S SITE. This same [ MODERN DESIGN] INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY of IOF is hard to obtain because it will SPILL THE BEANS. So if only we as a forum start to pound these guys, we can really do some justice to our fellow INDIANS. JAIHIND

[abhrankash]

Sir,
Kindly don't say TOP SECRET in India(actually no such word prevails in the dictionary of Indian BABUS)
the answer to the word TOP SECRET is SWISS BANK.

After hearing this every one will opens its mouth.

[cottage cheese]

One must also bear in mind that its not always about material corruption when we speak of babus.

It's about competence as well.

Often you'll come across upright babus with half a brain or just plain screwed up attitude.

It's beyond corruption.

[goodboy_mentor]

1)When there is an ordinance factory in almost every state or region , why cant there be a sales outlet and a service point in each one ?,

2) Why cant we test, choose and buy, and not take as ALMS of what is given to us for what we have payed for in advance ,IN SUBDUED SILENCE

3)Why is there no MRP on govt produced products esp. ammo?

4)Why is there no public info on production schedules and availability?

5)Why is that IOF junk is priced as gold and supplied to the innocent CIVILIAN when an IMPORTED weapon for the GOVT is procured at a fraction of the cost of IOf price?

6) why is CIVILIAN category arms and ammo supplied to non military or non police GOVT. departments. when there is a huge surplus stock of serviceable weapons . ?

A grievance can be lodged for the above and similar problems faced by us with the Ministry of Defense under whom IOF works at http://pgportal.gov.in/ I will be lodging a grievance for this matter and I request everyone reading this also lodge grievances. Unless a large number of grievances are lodged, they will hardly take the lodged grievances seriously.

Moreover we can discuss relevant questions(seeking copies of information) which can be asked from IOF using RTI Act 2005 in a systematic manner.

[Subal das]

Is there an unknown SCAM underway?

you are not watching TV, ain't you?

[essdee1972]

Brothers, not to make this political, but do you really expect the same people, who after 60 years of so-called Independence, cannot give the vast majority of our countrymen clean drinking water, reasonable medical facilities, transport, etc., etc., will actually give us some good guns??? Yeah they will, when hell freezes over!

EssDee

[goodboy_mentor]

I agree but we have no option except fighting in an organized and wise manner. Unless we begin from somewhere nobody is going to listen. At the very least we can make a beginning by lodging grievances at http://pgportal.gov.in/ and start discussing about the questions that can be asked from IOF using RTI Act 2005.

[Subal das]

I agree but we have no option except fighting in an organized and wise manner. Unless we begin from somewhere nobody is going to listen. At the very least we can make a beginning by lodging grievances at http://pgportal.gov.in/ and start discussing about the questions that can be asked from IOF using RTI Act 2005.

[Sakobav]

It will be better if IOF can be made accountable of what they provide to the Indian defense forces ..and just try writing on any of Indian defense oriented web sites..see the reaction and how fast a person will be tagged traitor a troll and barred ...If they can provide decent stuff to defense hopefully it will trickle down..

[target shooter]

iof......