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Re: modern knives

Post by Subal das » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:33 pm

frame lock may be even stronger then liner lock especially when two liners used

here is example of frame lock

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some liner lock very good too, like that one on ZT 0350, mota liner and wide same time, very solid

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New Israeli Combat Knife

Post by Subal das » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:37 am

Israeli army has a lot of experience in urban combat including use of knives. So, knife designed by them is mean to do the job.

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The DUSTAR Model 1 – Arad is the first-ever fixed-blade, heavy duty, all purpose utility/field/combat knife conceived, designed, tested, perfected and manufactured entirely in Israel.The knife was manufactured entirely by CNC technology.

Based on a classic design on the one hand and on extensive practical combat and outdoors experience on the other hand, this premium quality knife is made from the best materials and manufactured to the most demanding standards in the metal processing industry.

Specifications

* Blade Length: 7″
* Overall Length: 11-7/8″
* Handle Length: 4-1/2″
* Steel: D2 Steel; RC56-57
* Sheath: Cordura with Kydex Lining
* Made in Israel

$200
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heltonknives

Post by Subal das » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:45 pm

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Hurry these knives will not stay for a long in current price range !!

Bladesmith Billy Helton appeared in 10/2010 Guns magazine and at present all his knives SOLD.

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Mosaic Damascus Fighter

Post by Subal das » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:28 am

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Ed Caffrey
Mosaic Damascus Fighter
7 1/2" Blade Celtic Knot Mosaic Damascus, engraved/textured 416 guard,
Australian Wandoo handle.
8-9oz hand stitched sheath included.

$1,350.00
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Re: New Israeli Combat Knife

Post by abhrankash » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:25 pm

Subal das wrote:Israeli army has a lot of experience in urban combat including use of knives. So, knife designed by them is mean to do the job.

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The DUSTAR Model 1 – Arad is the first-ever fixed-blade, heavy duty, all purpose utility/field/combat knife conceived, designed, tested, perfected and manufactured entirely in Israel.The knife was manufactured entirely by CNC technology.

Based on a classic design on the one hand and on extensive practical combat and outdoors experience on the other hand, this premium quality knife is made from the best materials and manufactured to the most demanding standards in the metal processing industry.

Specifications

* Blade Length: 7″
* Overall Length: 11-7/8″
* Handle Length: 4-1/2″
* Steel: D2 Steel; RC56-57
* Sheath: Cordura with Kydex Lining
* Made in Israel

$200
Dear, Subal ji,
There is nothing like CNC technology, Its COMPUTERISED NUMERICAL CONTROL its basically a machine controlled by the application of some micro processors and the moment in the three axis is so controlled that you can get the accuracy up to 1 micron (0.001mm).
Basically the die used for the forging is manufactured with the help of this machine and in the later finishing stage,If the knife is very precious and precise to the engineering dimensions then they use to go for optical profile grinding for the edge to achieve accuracy on the edge and then these knifes are surface treated and ready to use.

Now a days 5 axis and 7 axis milling machines are also available, But these are used to machining of missile components and some other parts also used as standard in plastics injection mould (eg-nozzle of hot runners)

There are many kind of CNC machines are available namely.
CNC LATHES
CNC HORIZONTAL MILLING
CNC VERTICAL MILLING
CNC WIRE-CUT MACHINE
CNC ELECTRIC DISCHARGE MACHINE
CNC GRINDING MACHINE
CNC OPTICAL PROFILE GRINDING MACHINE
CNC ROUTING MACHINE (basically used for the ornamental design on the components)

these my words are for only to gather knowledge only. so please do not get impressed if some body says it is manufactured by CNC technique.
Its nothing after machining also every thing and the finishing work is done by hand only.Its the manual labuor that puts life to the components not the CNC machine,But you can achieve a greater degree of accuracy.
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Re: New Israeli Combat Knife

Post by Subal das » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:45 pm

abhrankash wrote:
these my words are for only to gather knowledge only. so please do not get impressed if some body says it is manufactured by CNC technique.
Its nothing after machining also every thing and the finishing work is done by hand only.Its the manual labuor that puts life to the components not the CNC machine,But you can achieve a greater degree of accuracy.
thanks for such nice explanation, honestly I thought may be it is the name of company who manufacture knife ... like CNC technology ltd.

seems like quite advanced machines any way, but sounds a bit impersonal
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Re: New Israeli Combat Knife

Post by abhrankash » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:54 pm

Subal das wrote:
abhrankash wrote:
these my words are for only to gather knowledge only. so please do not get impressed if some body says it is manufactured by CNC technique.
Its nothing after machining also every thing and the finishing work is done by hand only.Its the manual labuor that puts life to the components not the CNC machine,But you can achieve a greater degree of accuracy.
thanks for such nice explanation, honestly I thought may be it is the name of company who manufacture knife ... like CNC technology ltd.

seems like quite advanced machines any way, but sounds a bit impersonal
Dear Sir ji,

If you visit Orkut then you can see the pictures of some CNC machine up to the bed length of 2M
if you visit then search in my name then you will get it easily.

Or if you or any member of this site is having any problem regarding the manufacturing techniques you can ask me freely "if your question will be within the reach of my knowledge then it is definite that I will give you the answer or I will try to find a solution to your problems''.
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Re: modern knives

Post by xl_target » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:22 pm

Also one of the things that CNC machines will allow is repeatability. Once the machine is programmed, the same part can be churned out repeatedly and it will not vary from the previous part (depending on the tolerances that machine is capable of holding). So you can take a rough casting or forging and clamp it in a CNC machine and the machine will finish it to the dimensions specified. As Abhrankash said, tolerances on today's machines can be very tight. Since the machine is setup by the computer and not a human, repeatability and speed can be achieved. Many of today's gun companies (at least in the US) use CNC machines to manufacture their product.
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Re: modern knives

Post by abhrankash » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:39 am

xl_target wrote:Also one of the things that CNC machines will allow is repeatability. Once the machine is programmed, the same part can be churned out repeatedly and it will not vary from the previous part (depending on the tolerances that machine is capable of holding). So you can take a rough casting or forging and clamp it in a CNC machine and the machine will finish it to the dimensions specified. As Abhrankash said, tolerances on today's machines can be very tight. Since the machine is setup by the computer and not a human, repeatability and speed can be achieved. Many of today's gun companies (at least in the US) use CNC machines to manufacture their product.
Dear Sir,
If you talk of the tolerances that is being achieved then it depends on various factors and its a engineering topics, if you go with the indian manufacturer the scenario is almost the same.
But in India their is no one who is making fire arm except IOF as far as knowledge is concern.Although its a government company.
I don't know of any private firms doing so,but there are some private firms who makes bullet proofs under license from DUPONT as the patent of Kevlar materials lies with them.
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Re: modern knives

Post by Dpaul » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:32 am

Subal das wrote:now, that is a hard one ... folder

Blade Hardness: 60-62HRC
M390 super steel blade (60-62HRC)
Titanium and G10 handles with titanium tip-down carry clip

for that kind of folder usd 200 is very well justified price

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Benchmade 755 MPR
wow nice. that is really a modern knife.. i like it. I want to have it in my collection.

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Also you can use it in a combat as your self defense.
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Re: modern knives

Post by Subal das » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:54 am

Dpaul wrote:
Subal das wrote:now, that is a hard one ... folder

Blade Hardness: 60-62HRC
M390 super steel blade (60-62HRC)
Titanium and G10 handles with titanium tip-down carry clip

for that kind of folder usd 200 is very well justified price

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Benchmade 755 MPR
wow nice. that is really a modern knife.. i like it. I want to have it in my collection.

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that is good not only for collection Sir. You can go to war with it.

here is recent article in tactical gear magazine, marine killed insurgent with CRKT folder
http://www.tacticalgearmag.com/page/cho ... al-knife-7

most probably he used some of m16 - m21
http://www.crkt.com/M16-14-Desert-Big-D ... Combo-Edge
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Re: modern knives

Post by Subal das » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:38 pm

few russian tactical knives, all these knives HRC 52-56, not so brittle and can be used as trowing knives too.

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Panisher
official FSB Spec ops knife, FSB is former KBD. blade мм 160, they are really know their knives and styles

thickness 6 mm !!!, now I know what I want on Christmas



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Anti Terror
originally was developed for FSB, same specs as with Panisher only different design.



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НР-09

traditional russian recon knife, very popular knife among martial arts followers.
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Re: modern knives

Post by Subal das » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:43 pm

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Oprichnic

another Russian knife similar in design to Panisher
made by old and famous company www.zlatoust-air.ru
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Re: modern knives

Post by choombak » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:59 am

Dpaul wrote:
Subal das wrote:now, that is a hard one ... folder

Blade Hardness: 60-62HRC
M390 super steel blade (60-62HRC)
Titanium and G10 handles with titanium tip-down carry clip

for that kind of folder usd 200 is very well justified price

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Benchmade 755 MPR
wow nice. that is really a modern knife.. i like it. I want to have it in my collection.

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Cold steel knife - is the world strongest and sharpest knives.
Also you can use it in a combat as your self defense.
In my opinion, the 755 is way too thicker than normal, which makes it difficult for EDC - folks have ended up selling 755 for the same reason, and it goes relatively cheap (lowest I have seen on bladeforums is $115). This means it is not "highly desirable". Also note that, the thicker blade takes away the "neat slicing ability" that thinner blades offer you (not cutting, but slicing). I guess the original Siebert custom (similar to the 755 MPR) may have tighter tolerances, making it more desirable.

I'd rather have the Chris Reeve Sebenza folder in my collection -- but at $300 and up, it is an impossible proposition at this moment. Seems like Chris personally guarantees the tolerances, and these are the most sought after folders in the knife world. I thought it was overrated, but after lengthy discussions with people who own them, I realized that my opinion was incorrect.

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Re: modern knives

Post by Subal das » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:00 pm

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I like that black version better, retail for $220

Benchmade made good publicity around that knife
http://www.benchmade.com/images/pr/pdf/ ... pt2010.pdf

to motivate dealers Benchmade offers about 40% discount, so they priced 755 quite right
for example cheapest production Strider folder goes for $300

competition in this price range quite serious and not so many people actually buying such folders.
great number of exceptional tactical folders available on much lover rate.

for example this time tested Kabar Mule for $40 only
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