Deactivated Gun Law in India and Importing such gun in India

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Re: Deactivated Gun Law in India and Importing such gun in India

Post by goodboy_mentor » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:50 pm

Now my query is will a UK certificate of deactivation work here in India??
Probably you will have to ask the customs as they will be the main problem creators. Once you get past them, it should not be any problem. Arms Act 1959 is not applicable to imitation firearms. As per Arms Act 1959 Section 45. Act not to apply in certain cases. (c) any weapon of an obsolete pattern or of antiquarian value or in disrepair which is not capable of being used as a Firearm either or without repair; (d) the acquisition, possession or carrying by a person of minor parts of arms or ammunition which are not intended to be used with complementary parts acquired or possessed by that or any other person.
BTW value of £225 appears too steep, unless you are a purist interested in collecting "original". If I am able to recall correctly, arshad_ahmad48 was also selling similar replicas. You can try contacting him or take a printout of the picture of revolver, its components and take it to any lathe shop. You can get similar imitation firearm manufactured locally at much cheaper rate. Only ensure no chambers are drilled in the cylinder and barrel is not bored. You can also try contacting the following and see if they are willing to make similar item as they are already into making muskets, replicas etc. http://www.curioushouse.com/about_us.htm
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Re: Deactivated Gun Law in India and Importing such gun in India

Post by vrohan59 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:22 am

@Abhijeet
What does one need to do to deactivate a firearm?(drill holes in the barrel,fill the barrel with molten lead?)and can we do this ourselves or we have to get it done by a licenced gun smith?And finally does the weapon have to have a prior licence?
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Re: Deactivated Gun Law in India and Importing such gun in India

Post by m24 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:41 am

Thanks, gbm. Sorry, no Indian replicas or curios for me. If I can lay my hand on an original, I'd rather spend the money there.

Guess, I'll check with the customs first.

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Re: Deactivated Gun Law in India and Importing such gun in India

Post by nagarifle » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:14 pm

hi M24, here is brief guide to what is UK deactivated weapons means: there is the pre 95 and post 95 deactivations.

Where do deactivated weapons come from?

A deactivated weapon started life as a service or commercially issued weapon be it a rifle, pistol, sub machine gun, light machine gun, mortar, missile or hand grenade, which for some reason or another has been taken out of service or in most cases has become obsolete.

So what has to be done to make a live weapon into a deactivated one?

For a weapon to become deactivated is when it has had most of its major components either removed or cut away leaving the external appearance unaltered. IT CAN NO LONGER FIRE LIVE AMMUNITION.

For example: a bolt action rifle - a manually operated weapon would have to have the barrel slotted down the middle all the way up to the breech, this operation would all so remove the feed ramp, then a hardened case steel pin is inserted in the breech to stop any round (bullet) from being loaded.

In some cases once the barrel as been slotted a steel rod would be inserted down the full length of the barrel and then welded in place, but leaving at least 1 centimetre clear from the front end of the barrel or other wise known as the muzzle clear (for external appearance only).

The bolt face would have to be cut back to at least a 45 degree angle to stop any ammunition being loaded. And various parts of the receiver would also be slotted or cut so that the frame will not take any firing force.

This operation is carried out on all weapons such as pistols, self loading rifles and sub machine guns. Once this work has been carried out, the rifle parts would be taken to a local Proof House.

What is a Proof House?

A proof house is a place where barrels and weapon parts get tested under firing conditions making sure the weapon does not blow up and functions correctly.

There are only two main Proof houses in England that will specialize in this sort of work one is in Birmingham and the other is in London.

When the rifle goes to the proof house, an inspector would have to inspect the weapon and make sure the weapon is incapable of firing any missile, bullet or any other object from its barrel and that all the major functional parts have been rendered incapable and no longer serve there original manufactured purpose.

Once this type of inspection has been carried out, the inspector will then stamp the parts of the weapon with an inspector stamp which proves the weapon has been deactivated and is incapable of firing anything.
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Re: Deactivated Gun Law in India and Importing such gun in India

Post by cottage cheese » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:23 pm

nagarifle wrote:hi M24, here is brief guide to what is UK deactivated weapons means: there is the pre 95 and post 95 deactivations.

Where do deactivated weapons come from?

A deactivated weapon started life as a service or commercially issued weapon be it a rifle, pistol, sub machine gun, light machine gun, mortar, missile or hand grenade, which for some reason or another has been taken out of service or in most cases has become obsolete.

So what has to be done to make a live weapon into a deactivated one?

For a weapon to become deactivated is when it has had most of its major components either removed or cut away leaving the external appearance unaltered. IT CAN NO LONGER FIRE LIVE AMMUNITION.

For example: a bolt action rifle - a manually operated weapon would have to have the barrel slotted down the middle all the way up to the breech, this operation would all so remove the feed ramp, then a hardened case steel pin is inserted in the breech to stop any round (bullet) from being loaded.

In some cases once the barrel as been slotted a steel rod would be inserted down the full length of the barrel and then welded in place, but leaving at least 1 centimetre clear from the front end of the barrel or other wise known as the muzzle clear (for external appearance only).

The bolt face would have to be cut back to at least a 45 degree angle to stop any ammunition being loaded. And various parts of the receiver would also be slotted or cut so that the frame will not take any firing force.

This operation is carried out on all weapons such as pistols, self loading rifles and sub machine guns. Once this work has been carried out, the rifle parts would be taken to a local Proof House.

What is a Proof House?

A proof house is a place where barrels and weapon parts get tested under firing conditions making sure the weapon does not blow up and functions correctly.

There are only two main Proof houses in England that will specialize in this sort of work one is in Birmingham and the other is in London.

When the rifle goes to the proof house, an inspector would have to inspect the weapon and make sure the weapon is incapable of firing any missile, bullet or any other object from its barrel and that all the major functional parts have been rendered incapable and no longer serve there original manufactured purpose.

Once this type of inspection has been carried out, the inspector will then stamp the parts of the weapon with an inspector stamp which proves the weapon has been deactivated and is incapable of firing anything.
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Re: Deactivated Gun Law in India and Importing such gun in India

Post by m24 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:01 pm

cottage cheese wrote:...See if all that will go through a babu's thick skull.
I'll pray that my request goes through an empty headed one. :)

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1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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