Indians For Guns

Ok folks before i continue i must first STATE CLEARLY !!! : this is as yet unconfirmed but the information comes from a very reliable source, it may be accurate and come into effect this year for the National Shooting Championship Competitions (NSCC) ... or then again it may get red taped .. but this is what ive heard this evening at a meeting (no names).

The current import restrictions limited to the top 25 shooters (Reknown Shot) category will be lifted and amended to allow anyone who has participated and achieved the MQS (minimum qualifying score) at the NSCC to import a weapon in that category.

Note: this does not apply to wild card entries or special appearance competitors / you have to have qualified through the pre-nationals (AIGVM) and then achieved the MQS in your event in the NSCC.

In short the reknown shot category will only count towards duty exemption, if you finish your event with the MQS score .. you can import a weapon in that event.

This - if it goes through - should change the face of ISSF competitive shooting in this country ... finally someone stood up and took notice ... hehe maybe i can finally get that MG5 ive been drooling over

Hi Steyrshot,

Its already been discussed. see this

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?t=1903

-Inder

HI Steyrshot,
great news, welcome back and let me know, do they have a category for the barrett 50
Best
Axx

umangvarma";p="22265 wrote:This - if it goes through - should change the face of ISSF competitive shooting in this country ... finally someone stood up and took notice ... hehe maybe i can finally get that MG5 ive been drooling over

Hi Steyrshot,

There are many shooters who simply cannot afford the stuff and the fact they will be paying 35% duty wont make it any cheaper.

Would you know what the lock-in period (before one can sell) is going to be?

It is still another small step in the right direction though.

Thanks.

Mack The Knife

[quote="Mack The Knife Bana
It is still another small step in the right direction though.

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Yeah ! what happened was that actually this policy had to b implemented two years ago and in anticipation the NRAI upped the MQS in all the disciples drastically without informing the shooters in advance. However the policy implementation got delayed but the NRAI went ahead and implemented the enhanced mqs by putting up notices at the venue of the nationals . when a lot of the shooters saw the notices regarding the increase in the mqs from the then current (48th) National they developed performance anxiety and a lot of shooters lost their qualification and had to go back to AIGVM to be requalified. I think a record numer of first time participants who had barely cleared the AIGVM flunked However after that fiasco NRAI now gives the shooter who has shot MQS in a national one additional chance to shoot in the nationals even if he shoots below mqs in the preceding one.

What need to b done now is that to get the mqs to a acheivable level for newbie shooter with the beg /borrow/steal equip. otherwise the effect will not be apparent very soon. Some pressure could be brought to bear to reduce mqs . This has already been done in a few events where leave alone new old shooters trying to requalify had problems shooting the mqs - maybe some clubs should also import some equip. for use by thier members to promote the sport.

Hi everyone

Sorry for my being ignorant of this topic being discussed earlier, I've been off the forum for a long time ... so i must have missed it.

The proposal to raise the MQS was actually first muted after the AIGVM held at Thodupuza and the resulting record number of entries in the NSCC at Hyderabad. Im not sure sure but i think it was announced in conjunction with the raising of the scores to appear for the national selection squad trials.

Well if you an optimist then the 3 or so added added points should seem a reasonable challenge but yes to many it can be a daunting psychological nightmare, but in my personal opinion going into a match with a score in mind is not the correct approach - i think the first step to failing in competition is when you start scoring in your mind. Ive shot competitions both ways and ive always found it harder to complete a series of 10 shots when i have a number in my head - those oh i shot a 8 now i need a 10 to cover it so i can get my 90 or 95 is one sure way of ensuring you will shoot another 8 in your last shot in a series.

Having experienced one of those anxiety attacks myself some time back, when i went to get my pre-national qualifying at AIGVM, i can tell u what i did maybe it helps some people, others may call me totally nuts (but hey from a down and out position i did win a silver medal)

Having prepared intensely for the AIGVM (Thodupuza) and averaging 94's and 95's in practice we reached Kerela to find a as yet incomplete shooting range unbearably hot & humid, with and uneven surface, poor light conditions and very little practice time to adjust.

To keep it short ... my first series was a 91 (one point above the qualifying mark) and trust me i shot three 10's on my last 3 shots in that series to get that 91 ... all those numbers and averages started tumbling out the window and my thoughts when i put my pistol down was, another one like that and i may a well dig a big hole here and crawl in. Thats when i stopped thinking and stopped caring, seriously my mind went blank i just kept lifting my pistol and releasing - next series 97.

Ive learnt my lesson, and i hope someone gets something out of that experience - the only thought in your mind should be your sights, their alignment and when are you ready to start the 2nd stage positive trigger pressure - the rest of the world doesn't exist, and certainly not any numbers.

On the import topic... well this step should see a lot of relatively newer weapons coming into the second hand market as existing shooters rush to upgrade .. maybe we will even see prices tumbling as the law of supply and demand evens out over time with the added number of weapons.

Just got this clarified after making a few phone calls earlier today.

1) Duty exemptions will apply to ALL (not just renown shot category) who qualify the NSCC and wish to import.

2) Yes there is a list of weapons pre-approved for each event (but its pretty comprehensive as the manufacturers see to it that their products are added to the list as they release them).

3) Lock in period going by precedence (as applicable to gun clubs/ranges/organizations) is 3 yrs not 5 as mentioned, i will confirm this tomorrow.

4) Ammunition imports should also fall into the duty free category. Ammo quota caps were increased earlier ... one of my friends on the shotgun circuit mentioned 15,000/- to me, ill ask him again if someone needs that info.

5) All competitive shooters will now have a registration and ID number (like a drivers license), and i suppose all your import details will be attached with this new ID number.

6) I'm sure someone can confirm this for me, but i have been told by many free pistol shooters that importing spare parts eg barrels, triggers, replacement springs and firings pins is far easier now once you have your weapon on your license. Many of the items like springs, grips etc do not need any special approval ... i suppose a rifle barrel definitely would, but i have seen many shotgun shooters with 2-3 spare barrel sets (but linked to one weapon).

Thanks, Steyrshot.

Mack The Knife

="umangvarma";p="22356"]Just got this clarified after making a few phone calls earlier today.

HI! Steyrshot
1) Duty exemptions will apply to ALL (not just renown shot category) who qualify the NSCC and wish to import.
Yeah just chk the notification on the NRAI site and it clearly states that "all the shooter who shoot mqs are renowned shots" so all the benifits accrue

2) Yes there is a list of weapons pre-approved for each event (but its pretty comprehensive as the manufacturers see to it that their products are added to the list as they release them).

Donno but havnt run into any problems due to this before ..

3) Lock in period going by precedence (as applicable to gun clubs/ranges/organizations) is 3 yrs not 5 as mentioned, i will confirm this tomorrow.

4) Ammunition imports should also fall into the duty free category. Ammo quota caps were increased earlier ... one of my friends on the shotgun circuit mentioned 15,000/- to me, ill ask him again if someone needs that info.

It is 15000 carts. during the year. The notification of the sports min. is there on the NRAI site

5) All competitive shooters will now have a registration and ID number (like a drivers license), and i suppose all your import details will be attached with this new ID number.

Theres some kinda link to that effect on the NRAI site but they have not yet declared anything about it ..

6) I'm sure someone can confirm this for me, but i have been told by many free pistol shooters that importing spare parts eg barrels, triggers, replacement springs and firings pins is far easier now once you have your weapon on your license. Many of the items like springs, grips etc do not need any special approval ... i suppose a rifle barrel definitely would, but i have seen many shotgun shooters with 2-3 spare barrel sets (but linked to one weapon).[/quote]

Yes u can import quiet a few spare and acessories thru the mail. You are allowed interchangable or spare barrels in rifles too and if it gets worn out u can get a replacement too.

Anyways whatever is happening is good for the sport...and the shooters

Funny you keep mentioning the NRAI website , yes i know the information is given there, where do you think the few phone calls were made - NRAI hehe.

I made the distinction of renown shot and MQS qualifiers because as of yet all the benefits of the top 25 category have yet to be passed onto all MQS shooters.

This includes things like range fees and memberships at SAI ranges like Karni etc.

but the reason i made the call was to verify what was the procedure for obtaining spare parts and quantity allowed / also lock in period.

[quote="umangvarma";p="22462"]Funny you keep mentioning the NRAI website , yes i know the information is given there, where do you think the few phone calls were made - NRAI hehe.

HI! Steyrshot well u see the NRAI site is acessible to even the "lost ones" - ppl who cant /will not call/banned from calling/ NRAI - seems to be more than a fair share of em around here

I made the distinction of renown shot and MQS qualifiers because as of yet all the benefits of the top 25 category have yet to be passed onto all MQS shooters.

Well last I heard from a source was that the MHA is going to ratify the proposal - since last time the sports minisrty had not even issued a notification - they have already done so this time - if the MHA does it then only the commerce min. and customs deptt. have to modify their notification and I hope the babudom does it before the december nats

This includes things like range fees and memberships at SAI ranges like Karni etc.

well doono abt that cuz I never shoot there.

but the reason i made the call was to verify what was the procedure for obtaining spare parts and quantity allowed / also lock in period

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strange AFAIK the lock in remains at 5 years - however 3 years would be better
see ya

shutzen";p="22474 wrote:HI! Steyrshot well u see the NRAI site is acessible to even the "lost ones" - ppl who cant /will not call/banned from calling/ NRAI - seems to be more than a fair share of em around here

Funny you say that... anyone in particular you had in mind while making that comment? Do feel free to share...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Great news
Now the competition will really boil
Good shooting all at Agra and Jaipur
Spacetraveller

Mack The Knife Bana";p="22283 wrote:

umangvarma";p="22265 wrote:This - if it goes through - should change the face of ISSF competitive shooting in this country ... finally someone stood up and took notice ... hehe maybe i can finally get that MG5 ive been drooling over

Hi Steyrshot,

There are many shooters who simply cannot afford the stuff and the fact they will be paying 35% duty wont make it any cheaper.

Would you know what the lock-in period (before one can sell) is going to be?

It is still another small step in the right direction though.


Thanks.

Mack The Knife

just wait for some months more as olympic grade weapons are going to be made in india.

gunpaps

We know about those Prasad but considering IHP is the manufacturer, the term 'Olympic Grade' is a bit of a stretch.