Tips on Pistol Shooting
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
Dear Vikram,
Can you please tell me why you want particularly a Steyr LP10? I am asking this question because I had a LP10 and abandoned it after 2 years. I went for a Hammerli AP40 which I always cherished (I love it's looks) and I am still using it with pleasure since 3 years. In my club we are 5 persons to have abandoned the LP10 for other guns mostly Morinis. I started shooting with a pump action AP called FAS and then graduated to the Steyr LP2 (club weapon). Started scoring well with the LP2, thought myself to be a champ and bought the LP10 and never reached the scores of the LP2.
You need to have a very good level of skill to control the LP10 trigger (Champions' gun ). Moreover, the recoil absorption system will very nicely dissimulate an error you would have produced during the trigger work. So it is difficult for a beginner to perceive an error and learn from it. On the contrary, I love the LP2. Although the trigger is apparently same as that of the LP10 (I find it less difficult to control than the LP10), it is very communicative with the shooter. The muzzle flip will tell the shooter what went right or wrong and help him/her to learn more. It is an excellent AP for a beginner and way more.
The Morinis have excellent trigger mechanisms, much easier to control and hence give a lot of confidence.
Here is a non exhaustive list of the APs used by the regular competitors of our club here in Paris.
8 Steyr LP2s, 6 Morinis (4 electronic & 2 mechanic), 5 Steyr LP10s, 2 Hammerli AP40s, 1 Pardini K12, 1 Pardini K10, 1 Walther LP300XT, 1 Sam K11.
12 of them participated in the Nationals 2012 (4 Morinis, 3 LP2s, 2 LP10s, 2 Pardinis & 1 Walther)
We have a 23 year old very good shooter who is ranked in the first 15 of France in AP and 6th in Free Pistol. He shoots with Morini mechanical trigger AP after having abandoned his LP10 since 2010 . He never reached 560 with the LP10 and he has never shot below 562 with the Morini, the best official score being 577 with the same in Feb'12.
The Izzy is the best option of the two you have selected. Otherwise go for a Morini mechanical trigger 2nd hand or a Pardini K2 2nd hand if possible. Buy an AP which has a perciptible muzzle reaction (natural vertical flip); you will learn pistol shooting more easily.
best regards
tirpassion
Can you please tell me why you want particularly a Steyr LP10? I am asking this question because I had a LP10 and abandoned it after 2 years. I went for a Hammerli AP40 which I always cherished (I love it's looks) and I am still using it with pleasure since 3 years. In my club we are 5 persons to have abandoned the LP10 for other guns mostly Morinis. I started shooting with a pump action AP called FAS and then graduated to the Steyr LP2 (club weapon). Started scoring well with the LP2, thought myself to be a champ and bought the LP10 and never reached the scores of the LP2.
You need to have a very good level of skill to control the LP10 trigger (Champions' gun ). Moreover, the recoil absorption system will very nicely dissimulate an error you would have produced during the trigger work. So it is difficult for a beginner to perceive an error and learn from it. On the contrary, I love the LP2. Although the trigger is apparently same as that of the LP10 (I find it less difficult to control than the LP10), it is very communicative with the shooter. The muzzle flip will tell the shooter what went right or wrong and help him/her to learn more. It is an excellent AP for a beginner and way more.
The Morinis have excellent trigger mechanisms, much easier to control and hence give a lot of confidence.
Here is a non exhaustive list of the APs used by the regular competitors of our club here in Paris.
8 Steyr LP2s, 6 Morinis (4 electronic & 2 mechanic), 5 Steyr LP10s, 2 Hammerli AP40s, 1 Pardini K12, 1 Pardini K10, 1 Walther LP300XT, 1 Sam K11.
12 of them participated in the Nationals 2012 (4 Morinis, 3 LP2s, 2 LP10s, 2 Pardinis & 1 Walther)
We have a 23 year old very good shooter who is ranked in the first 15 of France in AP and 6th in Free Pistol. He shoots with Morini mechanical trigger AP after having abandoned his LP10 since 2010 . He never reached 560 with the LP10 and he has never shot below 562 with the Morini, the best official score being 577 with the same in Feb'12.
The Izzy is the best option of the two you have selected. Otherwise go for a Morini mechanical trigger 2nd hand or a Pardini K2 2nd hand if possible. Buy an AP which has a perciptible muzzle reaction (natural vertical flip); you will learn pistol shooting more easily.
best regards
tirpassion
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
"Customized grip" for my AP (FWB P-34) is estimated around INR 12K. So considering the consideration...
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
Who makes it? The great Ukranian coach in Pune?
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
hi vikram
i started with the izy and still love it. it is a wpn which taught me ap shooting and i feel it is a great ap for a beginner. it has its problems of spare parts and very few people ready to repair it, but it hardly requires any repair. so if you can find a izy it would be great. take your time with whichever ap you select. work on your basics. only then think of going for the fancy ones. afterall as hvj says even izy can shoot 400/400. can we ?. i just got my izy repaired and it is shooting great. can vouch by it. so think yourselves, shoot with these pistols and see what suits you
i started with the izy and still love it. it is a wpn which taught me ap shooting and i feel it is a great ap for a beginner. it has its problems of spare parts and very few people ready to repair it, but it hardly requires any repair. so if you can find a izy it would be great. take your time with whichever ap you select. work on your basics. only then think of going for the fancy ones. afterall as hvj says even izy can shoot 400/400. can we ?. i just got my izy repaired and it is shooting great. can vouch by it. so think yourselves, shoot with these pistols and see what suits you
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
yup - that's what I was told; hence plans aborted.tirpassion wrote:Who makes it? The great Ukranian coach in Pune?
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Hey agn,airgun_novice wrote:yup - that's what I was told; hence plans aborted.tirpassion wrote:Who makes it? The great Ukranian coach in Pune?
Mr Anatoli Poddubnyi is one of the best known pistol coaches in the world. So he must be an authority in the knowledge of what a grip is all about.
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Hey All,tirpassion wrote:Hey agn,airgun_novice wrote:yup - that's what I was told; hence plans aborted.tirpassion wrote: Who makes it? The great Ukranian coach in Pune?
Mr Anatoli Poddubnyi is one of the best known pistol coaches in the world. So he must be an authority in the knowledge of what a grip is all about.
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tirpassion
> Reminds me of an old saying when things go wrong ...... "GET A GRIP ON THINGS"
> With all the acronyms, aphorisms & abbrevations being thrown about left, right & centre - Grips seems to have taken the centre stage
> In my considered opinion most match shooting pistols of world repute are made abroad - hence I feel that designers have the 'European' Palm Size in mind while designing the grip.
> Now Indians & Asians' palm sizes are definitely a shade smaller than those of the Europeans / Westerners.
> So why not source your Pistol Grips from Japan / Korea / China???
> Am sure with the above said countries competing all over the world, they would definitely have looked into this.
> Another wild thought - Why not consider Malasian Rubber Wood for making pistol grips, I've seen lovely carved furniture being made of this wood.
1. Malaysian Rubber Wood is softer & resilient to the grip - result - better gripping as one's palms feel comfortable when holding.
2. It's worth exploring this - buy Malaysian Rubber Wood locally & take it to a wood carver carpenter - show him the original grip & ask him to replicate it to your palm size! Our desi carpenters are great copy masters, you have only to push them to do it.
> Worth the experiment - What say U all?
Have a Great Week-End!
Briha
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That is a good idea Brihaji and in fact, I had tried to work on it. I brought a small block of seasoned fine piece of walnut to a local carver / carpenter to replicate one of my ML pistol grips in Kolkata. He destroyed the piece of wood , on the pretext that it was too hard to carve. He is perhaps not wrong. A softer wood is easier to carve out.> Another wild thought - Why not consider Malasian Rubber Wood for making pistol grips, I've seen lovely carved furniture being made of this wood.
1. Malaysian Rubber Wood is softer & resilient to the grip - result - better gripping as one's palms feel comfortable when holding.
2. It's worth exploring this - buy Malaysian Rubber Wood locally & take it to a wood carver carpenter - show him the original grip & ask him to replicate it to your palm size! Our desi carpenters are great copy masters, you have only to push them to do it.
> Worth the experiment - What say U all?
Have a Great Week-End!
Briha
Well there is also the question of knowing who the best wood carver locally.
It is worth trying and if you people find an excellent wood carver, I am even ready to experiment.
best regards
tirpassion
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
That is a good idea Brihaji and in fact, I had tried to work on it. I brought a small block of seasoned fine piece of walnut to a local carver / carpenter to replicate one of my ML pistol grips in Kolkata. He destroyed the piece of wood , on the pretext that it was too hard to carve. He is perhaps not wrong. A softer wood is easier to carve out.
Well there is also the question of knowing who the best wood carver locally.
It is worth trying and if you people find an excellent wood carver, I am even ready to experiment.
best regards
tirpassion
Hi tirpassion,
> If AGN is agreeable I know good wood carvers (located in Chembur & Mahim - Mumbai) & can take him to these people.
> Anything from me to help guys in need - If that's going to help them shoot better
Briha
Well there is also the question of knowing who the best wood carver locally.
It is worth trying and if you people find an excellent wood carver, I am even ready to experiment.
best regards
tirpassion
Hi tirpassion,
> If AGN is agreeable I know good wood carvers (located in Chembur & Mahim - Mumbai) & can take him to these people.
> Anything from me to help guys in need - If that's going to help them shoot better
Briha
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
Hi Tirpassion & Jitu,
First of all sorry for the late response.
@Tirpassion: about the choice of Steyr, I was just considering it and would definitely have sought the guidance from people in this thread before for that big buy. I was thinking of the Steyr as it seemed to be the choice of the champions. Nothing else.
@Jitu: Thanks for the response. I think I will go for the Izzy being a beginner and also because it fits my budget perfectly.
Now, I have a question. HVJ1 once shared the contact number of one Chandubhai who is a dealer of Nill-Griffe Grips in Mumbai. I wanted to know if you guys have any idea about the Nill-Griffe grips. Anyone used them? Is Chandubhai still into dealing with Nill-Griffe Grips? Jitu, have you got the grip changed/worked on you Izzy? If yes, what did you do?
Thanks a lot to you guys for the support and guidance.
Warmest Regards
Vikram Dutta
First of all sorry for the late response.
@Tirpassion: about the choice of Steyr, I was just considering it and would definitely have sought the guidance from people in this thread before for that big buy. I was thinking of the Steyr as it seemed to be the choice of the champions. Nothing else.
@Jitu: Thanks for the response. I think I will go for the Izzy being a beginner and also because it fits my budget perfectly.
Now, I have a question. HVJ1 once shared the contact number of one Chandubhai who is a dealer of Nill-Griffe Grips in Mumbai. I wanted to know if you guys have any idea about the Nill-Griffe grips. Anyone used them? Is Chandubhai still into dealing with Nill-Griffe Grips? Jitu, have you got the grip changed/worked on you Izzy? If yes, what did you do?
Thanks a lot to you guys for the support and guidance.
Warmest Regards
Vikram Dutta
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
Lemme start the way people with high spirits do - "bottoms up"
VD-> The reason I shared my experience with "customized" grip is due to your budget limitations- 50K. If you spend 12 on the grip alone you have 38K left for the AP which won't fetch you anything good. Should you choose IZZY go also for its seals which is the only recorded problem on all the fora and those seals are hard to find in Mumbai/ India.There is an FWB equivalent of IZZY at Savarkar which can best be used as a paper weight in the state it's been last 3 years or so. It still lies there peacefully. I touch it with reverence at times I am there.
brihji -> Am I agreeable ? I am agreeable, malleable, ductile and every adjective that you can conjure... Of course just let me know where I can buy Malaysian rubber (definitely not at any pharmacist ) - in fact I was thinking of the "kath" or the "khair" tree you find in jungles of Konkan - just haven't got around going there yet. It's the wood you find as handles of spade and pick-ax. Now if MR tree is that soft - it will be a problem. Why ? One, in the long term the hand grip will 'change' the wooden grip but before that remember there's a vast pressure generated from the web to the blade where the blade presses against and is restricted by the wrist rest (or whatever it's called). Thus the "holes" would tend to grow and the "rest" becomes history... (pun intended) SO we need something like teak (also in Konkan forests) that would withstand the tremendous pressure with extra spikes during the trigger pull recoil and not change the drilled holes or crack up. Other option is Jackfruit - darn, I have to visit Ratnagiri pretty soon. Or if some sort of metal shymmie (sp?) or threas can be inserted in the drilled holes which would stay there till eternity, it might work too. Anyway, let me know of what you think of my thoughts and we can explore during the auspicious period of pitru-paksh.
upacharyaji -> Yes the phoren experts make it better; but then my desi dimaag does not accept yielding 12K so easily. In fact I was thinking along Brihji's lines early on anticipating a trip into Konkan and just "happening" upon suitable wood while trying to rescue those charming 'kairis' and 'Ambas' along with phanas and kaju from the evil humans and monkeys. Alas! The trip did not materialize. But am open to explore in the streets and back streets of Mumbai. Lemme get a breather and I shall set my sights upon it. BTW, been to Savarkar today - tested the trigger on both the weights there - "OK; no probs" etc. etc. Also shot out a few ones - nothing systematic. Will do that tomorrow and report to you.
dev/ jitu -> Guys, viral et al - cast it aside and get going. Good Luck for your NZ - hope you achieve the objectives set out.
ALL-> Stay tuned for Japaloupie 2012.
VD-> The reason I shared my experience with "customized" grip is due to your budget limitations- 50K. If you spend 12 on the grip alone you have 38K left for the AP which won't fetch you anything good. Should you choose IZZY go also for its seals which is the only recorded problem on all the fora and those seals are hard to find in Mumbai/ India.There is an FWB equivalent of IZZY at Savarkar which can best be used as a paper weight in the state it's been last 3 years or so. It still lies there peacefully. I touch it with reverence at times I am there.
brihji -> Am I agreeable ? I am agreeable, malleable, ductile and every adjective that you can conjure... Of course just let me know where I can buy Malaysian rubber (definitely not at any pharmacist ) - in fact I was thinking of the "kath" or the "khair" tree you find in jungles of Konkan - just haven't got around going there yet. It's the wood you find as handles of spade and pick-ax. Now if MR tree is that soft - it will be a problem. Why ? One, in the long term the hand grip will 'change' the wooden grip but before that remember there's a vast pressure generated from the web to the blade where the blade presses against and is restricted by the wrist rest (or whatever it's called). Thus the "holes" would tend to grow and the "rest" becomes history... (pun intended) SO we need something like teak (also in Konkan forests) that would withstand the tremendous pressure with extra spikes during the trigger pull recoil and not change the drilled holes or crack up. Other option is Jackfruit - darn, I have to visit Ratnagiri pretty soon. Or if some sort of metal shymmie (sp?) or threas can be inserted in the drilled holes which would stay there till eternity, it might work too. Anyway, let me know of what you think of my thoughts and we can explore during the auspicious period of pitru-paksh.
upacharyaji -> Yes the phoren experts make it better; but then my desi dimaag does not accept yielding 12K so easily. In fact I was thinking along Brihji's lines early on anticipating a trip into Konkan and just "happening" upon suitable wood while trying to rescue those charming 'kairis' and 'Ambas' along with phanas and kaju from the evil humans and monkeys. Alas! The trip did not materialize. But am open to explore in the streets and back streets of Mumbai. Lemme get a breather and I shall set my sights upon it. BTW, been to Savarkar today - tested the trigger on both the weights there - "OK; no probs" etc. etc. Also shot out a few ones - nothing systematic. Will do that tomorrow and report to you.
dev/ jitu -> Guys, viral et al - cast it aside and get going. Good Luck for your NZ - hope you achieve the objectives set out.
ALL-> Stay tuned for Japaloupie 2012.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
Hi AGN,
The 12K quotation for the grip of your FWB P34 is from Nill-Griffe? And please forgive me for my ignorance. I was not aware of the prices of the "Customized Grips", and that's why my last post is enquiring that matter. The Izzy with the new upgraded trigger will cost around 37K according to relishsports.com quote. However, a DIY job on the already over-sized Izzy grip seems a more rational option.
Please do share any information that you might have on the Nill-Griffe grip dealer Chandubhai as once mentioned by HJV1.
Best Regards
Vikram Dutta
The 12K quotation for the grip of your FWB P34 is from Nill-Griffe? And please forgive me for my ignorance. I was not aware of the prices of the "Customized Grips", and that's why my last post is enquiring that matter. The Izzy with the new upgraded trigger will cost around 37K according to relishsports.com quote. However, a DIY job on the already over-sized Izzy grip seems a more rational option.
Please do share any information that you might have on the Nill-Griffe grip dealer Chandubhai as once mentioned by HJV1.
Best Regards
Vikram Dutta
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
Dear VD, No need to be apologetic - I am one heck of an ignorant fool too. We are all learning here. Talk to Vishwajeet Shinde of Savarkar on APs - he ought to guide you better. He also knows 'Chandubhai' that you are searching for. I am but a small fish in the puddle, as far as "knowing" Chandubhai goes. Other contact for you to do some searching is Capapie Sports at Worli Naka. They are online and respond pretty fast to requests. Hope you are sprucing up for MAWC? Visited the MRA and filled in the form yet ? You can also talk to VS and get the range's AP (FWB or Walther) for the competition since you are a member of Savarkar. Good Luck.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting
Hi everyone,
I am new to pistol shooting and following hvj guruji's tips since two weeks. While browsing through this forum, came across the NTP. If anyone has it, kindly reply.
Regards,
Major
I am new to pistol shooting and following hvj guruji's tips since two weeks. While browsing through this forum, came across the NTP. If anyone has it, kindly reply.
Regards,
Major