RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

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RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by m24 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:25 pm

I submitted an RTI with the customs. Response given by Customs:

Information sought: Import of Air Rifle and procedure for bringing in firearm under Transfer of Residence rule

1a). What is the procedure for bringing in firearm under Transfer of Residence (TR) rule?
1b). Documents required for bringing in firearm on TR as part of personal baggage and
1c). What is the duty on firearm on TR?

2a). Please clarify if .22 calibre air rifle can be imported as part of personal baggage? If so, what documents are required?
2b). What will be duty for import of .22 calibre air rifle?

3a). Please clarify if .177 calibre air rifle can be imported as part of personal baggage? If so, what documents are required?
3b). Please clarify if .177 calibre air rifle can be imported as part of cargo? If so, what documents are required?
3c). Is there different rate of duty if .177 air rifle is imported via cargo or personal baggage?
3d). What is the duty payable on .177 calibre air rifle by those who are members of a Rifle Club / Association for their own use?


The response as given by Customs:

Please refer to your application dated 11.11.2009 received on 12.11.2009 in this office on the above subject.

The information being sought is not appropriately covered in the definition of information as stipulated in the Right to Information Act. For the sake of reference definition of “information” as provided in the act is reproduce below:

“information” means any material in any form, including records, documents, memos, e-mails, opinion, advices, press releases, circulars, orders, logbook, contracts, reports, papers, samples, models, data material held in any electronic form and information relating to any private body which can be accessed by a public authority under any other law for the time being in force. For further detailed information, you can have it on the website www.cbec.gov.in & www.dgft.nic.in / www.dgft.gov.in.

However the information sought for by you is as under:

1. (a,b) In terms of Baggage Rules, 1998 issued by Ministry of Finance, Department of Revenue, Notification no. 30 / 1998-Cus (AS) dated 02.06.1998 as amended from time to time.
The TR is defined under Rule 8 of ibid Rules, wherein a person who is transferring residence to India shall be allowed clearance free of duty in addition to what is allowed under Rule 3, or Rule 4 as the case may be, article in his bonafide baggage to the extent mentioned in Column (1) of Appendix F subject to the condition mentioned in the corresponding entry in Column (2) of the said Appendix. In terms of conditions as prescribed under Appendix F ibid the following condition are to be satisfied. (i) Minimum stay of two years abroad immediately proceedings the date of his arrival on TR. (ii) The said passenger has not availed this concession in the proceedings 3 years. (iii) Total stay in India on short visits during the proceedings two years should not exceed 6 months.

In this connection, it is further informed that import of the fire arms is strictly prohibited. Similarly import of cartridges in excess of 50 is also prohibited. Both being listed under the Annexure 1 of the Baggage Rules, ibid.

A passenger can bring firearms permissible bores under TR on the following conditions:

a) The same was in possession and used abroad for a minimum period of one year by the passenger and after clearance shall not be sold, loaned, transferred or otherwise partied with for consideration or otherwise during the life time of such person. The firearms can be allowed in such cases on payment of applicable duty provided the passenger has a valid arms license from the local authorities.

1(c). The rate of duty on firearms on transfer of residence of one firearms of permissible bore @ 153% Adv.

2(a). Not permissible to general passengers.

2(b) Does not arise in view of 2(a).

3(a,b,c). As in 2(a).


3(d). Please refer to Notification no. 147 / 1994 – Cus dated 13.07.1994 as amended from time to time and Notification No. 146 / 1994 as amended.

With this reply your application dated 11.11.2009 under RTI Act, 2005 stands disposed off from the office of the Joint Commissioner of Customs, IGI Airport, New Delhi.

An appeal against this order can be filed before the Appellate Authority, i.e., Joint Commissioner of Customs, IGI Airport, New Delhi within 30 days of the receipt of the decision under section 19(1) of the RTI Act, 2005.

Reply from the office of Mr. R. K. Digvijay, Deputy Commissioner, CPIO.

My Inference: Customs has no idea about what they talking w.r.t Question 2 and 3. They sent me this reply, but I’m not going to let this go. They don't make me wait one month and give me such a reply. :evil: I spoke to the lady who sent me this reply and she started checking with her colleagues not knowing that I could hear her on the phone. The gist of what they were saying is that only Renowned shots are allowed to bring Airgun as part of baggage or Cargo and nobody else. :shock: Then she kept the phone down without responding and has since stopped picking up the phone. Before anyone jumps to any conclusion with my previous statement, please note that I plan to take this up with the Appellate Authority after Christmas break.
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2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by nagarifle » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:40 pm

go for it. :D nail the ********.
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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by m24 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:43 pm

You back already?? :) I thought you're busy shooting some already old antiquated dead pig!! :D

Oh! I am going to nail them. Big time.

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1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:49 pm

They seem to be clueless about their own departments notifications.

When you file the appeal you may also like to attach copies of the notifications regarding the import of air arms.

You can also attach a copy of GSR 992 of the MOH listing air rifles which are exempted from licensing.After all the import ban on firearms should only cover such arms that are considered as arms under the Arms Act and Rules.All those that are excluded would not be arms,would'nt they.

Forgot to add,ask for the PIO to be punished for giving incomplete and misleading information.
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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by nagarifle » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:49 pm

ya could not wait to see what they said. pig in the pot :D good work there.
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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by m24 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:56 pm

winnie_the_pooh wrote:They seem to be clueless about their own departments notifications.

When you file the appeal you may also like to attach copies of the notifications regarding the import of air arms.

You can also attach a copy of GSR 992 of the MOH listing air rifles which are exempted from licensing.After all the import ban on firearms should only cover such arms that are considered as arms under the Arms Act and Rules.All those that are excluded would not be arms,would'nt they.
Thanks, winnie_the_pooh, will definitely add that also. Words wouldn't do justice to the Customs department's cluelessness (don't know whether that's proper English).

Seniors: Please let me know if the TR response needs any appeal.

Naga: Enjoy the pork. :)

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Jeff Cooper advocated four basic rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by nagarifle » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:00 pm

winnie_the_pooh wrote:They seem to be clueless about their own departments notifications.

When you file the appeal you may also like to attach copies of the notifications regarding the import of air arms.

You can also attach a copy of GSR 992 of the MOH listing air rifles which are exempted from licensing.After all the import ban on firearms should only cover such arms that are considered as arms under the Arms Act and Rules.All those that are excluded would not be arms,would'nt they.

Forgot to add,ask for the PIO to be punished for giving incomplete and misleading information.
sound advice,
m24 go for it.
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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by m24 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:08 pm

You guys thought I am going to let these guys go scot-free? No way. I've spent too much time going there to submit this, calls every week as follow-up. They have invited my full attention to them now. Till the time I get on paper what kind of punishment has been meted out to the person responsible, I'm not giving up. However long it may take.

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Jeff Cooper advocated four basic rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by Vikram » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:31 am

M24,

I offer you my sincere thanks for the service you are doing to the shooting fraternity.Thank you. Mean while, if you are incurring any expenditure by filing these RTI requests,would you be kind enough to allow us to share? It will be a pleasure for us. Thanks once again,and please do not let this go without getting clear information.

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by m24 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:40 am

Vikram wrote:Mean while, if you are incurring any expenditure by filing these RTI requests,would you be kind enough to allow us to share? It will be a pleasure for us.
Now you're insulting me, Vikram. :) Just joking. This is the least that I can do for the fraternity, hey I'm part of it, remember!! Believe you me, the cost is peanuts.

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Jeff Cooper advocated four basic rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by Risala » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:26 am

m24 wrote:You guys thought I am going to let these guys go scot-free? No way. I've spent too much time going there to submit this, calls every week as follow-up. They have invited my full attention to them now. Till the time I get on paper what kind of punishment has been meted out to the person responsible, I'm not giving up. However long it may take.

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M 24,

It's a case of interpretation....they pretty much have answered your queries
One thing is clear in their reply to your RTI app that .22 Cal are not allowed,so are .177 unless you comply by the DGFT note on imports of air arms.....which clearly states that one can only import a .177 Cal AR...provided you fulfill ALL the requirements as per the notification...
Intresting to note that they havent replied to Q 3d since they are aware that imports are allowed.

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by andy_65_in » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:07 am

m 24 you are indeed doing an outstanding job .Its really funny that these custom chaps no nothing as to what are the correct rules-i think they are interpreting rules to suit their own convenience

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by tingriman » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:11 pm

Great Job m24,
Believe me, bro, I dont have words to thank you for the great job.


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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by m24 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:16 pm

Thanks to all for the support. Will let you know as and when any updates come.

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1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: RTI Customs /TR / import of AR

Post by m24 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:20 pm

I am not able to attach the PDF of the Customs RTI because of size restrictions.If anybody needs the same, please PM me your mail id, and I'll forward the same. I would be going to the appellate authority for queries w.r.t Air rifle. If anybody wants any other query attached, do inform me latest by 30th midnight.

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Jeff Cooper advocated four basic rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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