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Hello Fellow Members!

A brief background: My father, a retired army brigadier residing in Pune, has a pistol which he purchased (not a service weapon) and has a license for it. He passed away mid Feb'14. I am an IT service person based in Mumbai, and as such have to get a license in order to legally keep the pistol.


Situation: I am in the process of filing a fresh gun license based on inheritence of weapon, in Pune Police Commissioner office.

I have been through the list of documents and been to commissioner office and the local police station to submit the pistol. While i have most of the docs in place, i need guidance on - medical certificate, sifarish certificate & a reason to back my license application.

I have an serving army Col. And a Lt. Col. ready to endorse the medical and sifarish certificates. I would request any of you who has been through the process to share the format of the medical certificate n sifarish certificate. As i learnt, it is utmost important to have the right clauses included for the specific purpose of obtaining a gun license.

Thanks a lot!

Kamal

P.S.: i went through the thread to see if this query had previously been answered, but it was'nt.


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sekhonkamal wrote:Hello Fellow Members!

A brief background: My father, a retired army brigadier residing in Pune, has a pistol which he purchased (not a service weapon) and has a license for it. He passed away mid Feb'14. I am an IT service person based in Mumbai, and as such have to get a license in order to legally keep the pistol.


Situation: I am in the process of filing a fresh gun license based on inheritence of weapon, in Pune Police Commissioner office.

I have been through the list of documents and been to commissioner office and the local police station to submit the pistol. While i have most of the docs in place, i need guidance on - medical certificate, sifarish certificate & a reason to back my license application.

I have an serving army Col. And a Lt. Col. ready to endorse the medical and sifarish certificates. I would request any of you who has been through the process to share the format of the medical certificate n sifarish certificate. As i learnt, it is utmost important to have the right clauses included for the specific purpose of obtaining a gun license.

Thanks a lot!

Kamal

P.S.: i went through the thread to see if this query had previously been answered, but it was'nt.


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Hi kamal
what is shifrshi letter?medical certifacate is used to ensure licencee is not of dumb mind,eye sights etc.you will not face any probulem just go trough license prosidgure.serving colonel

Thanks Ashok! Sifarish is prolly what they call character certificate or stuff. I just wanted to be sure i don't get issues with the format later on. Thanks for ur suggestion n time!


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Licensing authorities for various states have their own parameters for issuing a civil arms license, I am not aware of the procedure for pune. What I can confirm is that you need to have a medical fitness certificate from a government hospital to certify that your eye sight is not below a certain level and you do-not have any physical or mental impairment. Apart from this you would need two references from your neighbors to certify that you have been residing in the premises for the number of years as specified by you . In Karnataka you need to do a 7 day Civilian Rifle Training Course in order to apply.

I am not sure what this sifarish letter is all about.

As you are applying under inheritance of arms it should not be difficult to get the license.

@sekhonkamal,
Is the sifarish certificate a endorsement about your character or you identity? Getting a licence for the purpose of inheritance should not be a problem if you don't have any criminal cases pending against you. Inheritance of a licenced weapon will not prove to be a problem if you are the only legal heir. if not, you will have to provide a no objection certificate from the rest of the legal heirs. The reason of inheritance is alone enough to support your application for a fresh licence. Other than that a medical certificate regarding your physical and mental soundness should be issued by a person authorized to do so. Usually a district surgeon or a medical officer in charge of your local district hospital. As farook mentioned, procedure differ from state to state but the basic requirement remains the same.
Keep the original death certificate with you.
Get a certificate from the local Tashildar ( or mamledar as he is called in Maharashtra ) declaring you to be the legal heir, also called a vaarsa certificate.
If you are not the only legal heir then keep a no objection certificate from the rest of the heirs in the form of a affidavit.

And also remember to submit a attested copy of the original along with the form. NOT THE ORIGINAL. The idiots in any Govt. department tend to lose the papers and then ask you to present the originals for verification.

Best of luck to you.

@farook
Where do you reside in Karnataka?

All this medical and 'sifarish' stuff is extra legal. Please beware. There is no requirement of all this in the Arms Act or Arms Rules. Who ever asks you for one is just trying to cover his incompetence, so the best option would be to demand that in writing with the relevant clause or stream etc. from the Act or the Rules.

If the pistol belonged to your father, you may apply of a license under the 'family heirloom' or 'inheritance' streams of the current policy.

Thanks Farook and Chucky! Farook u r right abt he specific medical conditions to ful-fill, but i am getting this medical cert. from an army doctor from AFMC, and not govt. hosp. Yes Chucky u r right abt the NOC from legal heirs, the woman constable just made a passing mention of this, and got irritated when i asked more abt it. Is there a particular format to for the NOC (like mention of details of the firearm n weapon no. Etc) m gonna get that one made too .......i have to go to pune from bby every time some bit is left out, not to mention a battery of interviews i have to take. Thanks for sharing your insights, attending rifle training is good but again forces extra work.

Cheerios!
Kamal


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Just mention the particulars of the weapon in question ( make, model and serial number ) and a paragraph mentioning the acceptance of the other legal heirs regarding you transferring the weapon in your name. Make sure that the said certificate is made on a Rs. 20.00 Bond paper, with the signature of two witnesses and is duly notarized.

Stupid procedures.

sekhonkamal wrote:Thanks Farook and Chucky! Farook u r right abt he specific medical conditions to ful-fill, but i am getting this medical cert. from an army doctor from AFMC, and not govt. hosp. Yes Chucky u r right abt the NOC from legal heirs, the woman constable just made a passing mention of this, and got irritated when i asked more abt it. Is there a particular format to for the NOC (like mention of details of the firearm n weapon no. Etc) m gonna get that one made too .......i have to go to pune from bby every time some bit is left out, not to mention a battery of interviews i have to take. Thanks for sharing your insights, attending rifle training is good but again forces extra work.

Cheerios!
Kamal


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Hi Kamal,Inheritance Rights are applicable if the said weapon is with your father for more then 25/30 Years,plz check with someone,they will inform you about the exact number of years,2nd & really relevant in your case,till the model code of conduct is in place,no one is gonna issue you the A.L,my main question for you is "WHERE IS THE SAID WEAPON AT PRESENT",hope you have deposited the same either in a Police Station/or a Arms Dealer.Hope this helps,Best Amit

Thanks Chucky, point noted
Amit u just gave the exact concern my father wudve - "weapon should be in safe custody". I immediately had contacted the local police station, they said they don't have space and asked me to keep it with a private arms dealer. I have approached some, but no luck. Next weekend i will again speak to a few more dealers. I have to have that sorted on priority, thanks for pointing it out.


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chucky wrote:
@farook
Where do you reside in Karnataka?

Bangalore City

sekhonkamal wrote:Thanks Chucky, point noted
Amit u just gave the exact concern my father wudve - "weapon should be in safe custody". I immediately had contacted the local police station, they said they don't have space and asked me to keep it with a private arms dealer. I have approached some, but no luck. Next weekend i will again speak to a few more dealers. I have to have that sorted on priority, thanks for pointing it out.


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They would keep the weapon for you http://pdrapune.com/contact.php

HiKatana sir
wee need a medical certificate under sec 13 of arms act
14. Refusal of licences – (1) Notwithstanding anything in Section 13, licensing authority, shall refuse to grant- (a) (b) (2) a licence under section 3, section 4 or section 5, where such licence is required in respect of any prohibited arms or prohibited ammunition; a licence in any other case under Chapter II, – (i) (ii) where such licence is required by a person whom the licensing authority has reason to believe: (1) to be prohibited by this Act or any other law for the time being in force from acquiring, having in his possession or carrying any arms or ammunition, or (2) to be of unsound mind, or (3) to be for any reason unfit for a licence under this
now dm cant grant whether is licencee is of unsound mind.thats why they have trown to medics.and one more thing to explain whos eye sight can be correctted by glassess can apply also.
regards

Thanks for the link Farook and Ashok once again thanks for sharing this helpful information. My respect n awe of lawyers has gone up a slight bit.


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A new bit of info i got from the police constable (experienced in processing fresh gun licenses) - he says you don't have to keep your weapon in safe custody while putting you application. When the application goes into processing, the commissioner office directs police to take the said weapon in custody. I asked again if it is ok to have the weapon at home under plain lock and key,and he said yes.

So apparently its ok to keep weapon at home, i somehow could not feel convinced. Also, the Pune Distt. Rifle Assn's Mr. Gani Shaikh refused safe custody saying its only for members.

Just wanted to update everyone of the latest norms n standards followed.


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