Indians For Guns

I live in Mumbai and was just advised by a friend that though I renew my weapon licenses regularly at the Police Commissioner's Office , Crawford Market, a new notification has apparently been issued whereby all arms license holders are required to Register their weapons ALSO at their local Police Stations. Is this a fact ? Kindly advise.

unlike cities,DM is entitled to issue a licence within a district.in these places all weapons are registered in the respective police station with the photogragh of the gun.but in your case your licencing authority is Cop,so what is the logic in registering in a police station,no sense..nonsense.
regards
dr.jk

Dear Dr. i bag to differ, this is after all India, one needs to register with the chokidar as well, after all some one has to clean up the mess

nagarifle wrote:Dear Dr. i bag to differ, this is after all India, one needs to register with the chokidar as well, after all some one has to clean up the mess

also NCW, MCD,PaanWallah,local chowki,santitation department,reliance,tata,maruti,RWA,RAW,MI,PI,MLA and of course the roadside romeo and assorted local hoodlums/social workers :p
die hard fan of sir naga

When one has already renewed the license with local licensing authority, it does not appear to make sense running to police stations. Would like to read such Notification. Probably his friend is confusing with Rules 12, 62(3) and (4) of Arms Rules 1962. This matter seems to be already discussed in the following thread http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18474

Not necessary unless Mumbai follows a different law.
In cities like Kolkata where the police commissioner issues gun licences (by virtue of having magisterial powers) the police headquarters informs the respective police station under whose territorial jurisdiction the licencee lives, about the licence, its serial number and details of the weapon held against it.
Unless police stations had information about the existence of every licenced weapon in its area it would be difficult for the police to crack cases and inform citizens to deposit their weapons before elections.

I have spoken from my experience.

TC

TC wrote:it would be difficult for the police to crack cases

Must be an awful lot of crime committed with licensed firearms in your city.

Absolutely not necessary.

winnie_the_pooh wrote:

TC wrote:it would be difficult for the police to crack cases

Must be an awful lot of crime committed with licensed firearms in your city.

Age and experience often allows one some very rational insights, does it not?

Hi absinroy,
You say about some new notification. But it is an old practise here in mumbai, I have an arms license for last 18 years issued from CP mumbai. I never ran arround the local police station to get it registered. But they get information from the issuing authorities to maintain police station records. In my case in last 18 years, they have called me only for 5 to 6 times that to with proper letters/notices in very polite manner to visit the police station and let the arms inspected. Every time they were (Police Officer of rank of PI) very co.operative and I was out of Police station in 15 minutes after having TEA (at their expence) and a good conversation.

So dont worry unless you get some commucation from the issuing authority to visit your local police station. If you get such a letter do visit them and make a point to meet The Senior police Inspector of that police station, as In my case you will surprise to see how good they are. This is my personal expirince , "Mumbai Police is with law abiding citizens and they do respest arms license holders."

I hope this helps.

What I say here is from my personal expiriecs , Neither I am endosing anyone nor citisizing.

With Regards.

Raptor wrote:

winnie_the_pooh wrote:

TC wrote:it would be difficult for the police to crack cases

Must be an awful lot of crime committed with licensed firearms in your city.

Age and experience often allows one some very rational insights, does it not?

Winnie,
Compared to other cities in the country number of crimes committed with licensed firearms in Kolkata is negligible. And, I can only thank the good sense of my people for that.

Raptor,
Age and experience does allow one some very rational insights. By possessing a licensed firearm one does not starts living above law. In fact
a citizen owning a licensed firearm is supposed to be more responsible, in speech and action, than those who do not own firearms or never will.

It is the job of the police/ government to keep a record of every licensed firearm and it is done in every country of the world. The method of keeping this record may differ but the basic philosophy remains the same. If an otherwise law abiding, tax paying citizen kills his/her neighbour or fiance or business rival or a complete stranger (an urchin for example) with his/her licensed firearm and goes on a long vacation keeping an alibi behind then the police will never take him/ her to be a suspect unless there is a record on all licensed firearms possessed by people in that neighbourhood. I read somewhere : With guns come great power and with power comes greater responsibility.
Being liable and answerable is part of that responsibility. Or else, today we would be having Ponty Singh, his brother, and their hired gunmen leading the cause for RKBA.

Cheers
TC

TC wrote: Must be an awful lot of crime committed with licensed firearms in your city.

Age and experience often allows one some very rational insights, does it not? [/quote]

Winnie,
Compared to other cities in the country number of crimes committed with licensed firearms in Kolkata is negligible. And, I can only thank the good sense of my people for that.

Raptor,
Age and experience does allow one some very rational insights. By possessing a licensed firearm one does not starts living above law. In fact
a citizen owning a licensed firearm is supposed to be more responsible, in speech and action, than those who do not own firearms or never will.

It is the job of the police/ government to keep a record of every licensed firearm and it is done in every country of the world. The method of keeping this record may differ but the basic philosophy remains the same. If an otherwise law abiding, tax paying citizen kills his/her neighbour or fiance or business rival or a complete stranger (an urchin for example) with his/her licensed firearm and goes on a long vacation keeping an alibi behind then the police will never take him/ her to be a suspect unless there is a record on all licensed firearms possessed by people in that neighbourhood. I read somewhere : With guns come great power and with power comes greater responsibility.
Being liable and answerable is part of that responsibility. Or else, today we would be having Ponty Singh, his brother, and their hired gunmen leading the cause for RKBA.

Cheers
TC[/quote]
precisely the point I was trying to make, sir. Age, like experience, is a rather person specific concept isn't it?
naamdhari's PSOs were employed by punjab 'PULCE' i believe. Hardly the best people then, to be delegated such great responsibility. Sir winnie's experience ,i therefore believe, might be somewhat different from yours! Yet, you are both right, aren't you?

TC wrote: number of crimes committed with licensed firearms in Kolkata is negligible

I do believe that this is not something unique to Kolkata.Rather it applies to the entire country.Licensed firearms are generally not used in crime.Licensed firearms are NEVER used by those that view crime as a way of life.

winnie_the_pooh wrote:

TC wrote: number of crimes committed with licensed firearms in Kolkata is negligible

I do believe that this is not something unique to Kolkata.Rather it applies to the entire country.Licensed firearms are generally not used in crime.Licensed firearms are NEVER used by those that view crime as a way of life.

except for a few 'naamdharis' now and then what was he thinking!!! I am sorely tempted to use a few adjectives at this point! :p

winnie_the_pooh wrote:

TC wrote: number of crimes committed with licensed firearms in Kolkata is negligible

I do believe that this is not something unique to Kolkata.Rather it applies to the entire country.Licensed firearms are generally not used in crime.Licensed firearms are NEVER used by those that view crime as a way of life.

Winnie, I grew up with the same belief but my perception has changed over the years. In quite a few cases registered in and around Delhi, Mumbai and other cities people have brandished and even fired their licensed firearms during incidents of road rage, drunken drawl at night clubs and business or family rivalry.
The deaths of Pramod Mahajan and Ponty Singh are glaring examples.
A number of incidents have been reported by newspapers and TV channels in recent years. These news items did not make their way to page one either because there were no death or there were no so-called VIP involved. If I am not mistaken, in 1999 Jessica Lal was shot dead with a licensed .22 pistol because 'she refused one more drink' to her assailant. 25 cartridges for this pistol was purchased from Haryana Gun House on 4.2. 1999. I have a copy of the judgment.
In another incident a youth opened fire in a cinema hall with his father's licensed revolver which he was carrying for self defence. I read this about four years ago and can't remember the details. This was either Delhi or Lucknow. While you have rightly pointed out that Licensed firearms are NEVER used by those that view crime as a way of life it is perhaps no more wise to say that Licensed firearms are never misused by idiots. We can see for ourselves what a heady cocktail power, money and in some cases illiteracy can make. And this is one of the reasons why true gun enthusiasts are harassed and idiots have a field day.

Cheers
TC