Buying bullets before the gun & after license issued

[perfectionist1]

Sirs,

My question to the respected members is:-

If a gun license (say handgun) is issued to a person by competent authority and lets say he has applied to Kanpur for a revolver and it is going to take another month for its delivery.

So in the meanwhile (before getting the gun registered on the license & there is no gun previously registered on the license since it is a fresh licsence) is it legally allowed to purchase its bullets as per stipulated quota?

I am sure many Kanpur buyers will be having this question. Mostly for the reason of safety of handgun itself while bringing it back to his license authority (can be a different town or state)



Cheers....

[miroflex]

Hi,

Cartridges are sold to licence holder for the calibre of the weapon entered on the licence. Till the weapon is endorsed on the licence, no cartridges can be procured on that licence.

To take care of your problem, you can buy cartridges from a dealer immediately after buying the weapon.

Regards.

[perfectionist1]

Dear Microflex,

Thanks for your comments.
Then in that case once cannot buy the weapon in between on the road trip (for example) from Kanpur to lets say Delhi.
Since the weapon will be entered on the license only after inspection at the licensing authority office, thus leaving buyer weapon venerable to a loot.

But I think people do carry ammo, that is why it is instructed by the IOF to leave the ammo in the car.

Please let me know from this perspective.

[goodboy_mentor]

Till the weapon is endorsed on the licence, no cartridges can be procured on that licence.

I would like to have a better understanding of this matter, if you could please guide me to the specific provision of Arms Act or its Rules that says cartridges cannot be purchased before purchasing the firearm. If there isn't any such provision then it means he can first buy either the firearm or the cartridges so long they satisfy the type and quantity mentioned on the license.

[perfectionist1]

GBM,
Sir thanks coming by...please guide.

Cheers...

[Safarigent]

If your permission is for npb handgun, no arms dealer will sell you ctgs, if it says .32 cal pistol/revolver, you can buy ctgs before you buy the handgun.
Applies equally to long arms too

[perfectionist1]

Dear ABM,
My license says NBP Revolver/Pistol.

If I understand your view point, you are saying that NBP is not just 0.32 cal. thus how a dealer will sell cart. of 0.32 to me since I can later buy any other cal weapon.
I respect your logic.

But what in case I had applied 0.32 IOF rev. and paid in full and have a call letter for the issue of 0.32 revolver in coming month. Then it ensures that it is sure that the weapon to be entered will be 0.32 cal rev.

Please suggest.

[pointblank]

Fellows,i beg to be different,since practically i bought a .32 rev from FGK.Immediately after obtaining a rev from FGK i went to Sri durga shop and purchased 10 pieces of kf ammo.After reaching my home place 800 kms by road i applied to get my rev. registered on the govt. records.May be this helps.

[perfectionist1]

Point Blank,
Yes your first hand account helps, thanks for sharing.
Any idea if can buy and carry the cart from Delhi while (before) going to Kanpur.

Cheers...

[pointblank]

I doubt that.But they are already cheap at Kanpur.Also any friend having a valid lic. and a weapon can be of help if security is the main concern.

[veeveeaar]

Friends I have a personal experience to tell. It happened that during the monsoon time flood season 1995 ,that i got the allotment letter from FGF Kanpur.I booked the Chennai Lucknow express and on the day of journey it was informed at 5.30 am departure time, that it will take an hour or two to tell whether the train will start late or be cancelled.After two hours it was informed that the train will proceed and to everyone's disbelief, the whole train of ten or so bogies left with almost a 50 to 100 odd passengers only .

My berth was in the last but one coach next to the guard van. It went up to Guntakal A.P and stopped for two hours and from there, as if on a highway, the railway men were asked to take a detour via some town. As the driver started ,it came to a screeching halt and there was a flurry of activity and wireless chatter. When inquired , the guard told me that there was no electric traction to the sugested detour town as directed by the control room.Then after a long wait, the train proceeded via some route .

It was around three pm that out of hunger, the passengers realized that there was no pantry car on the train . Some time after dark , it halted at a station and passengers literally kidnapped the hawkers who sold vada and tea and it was a riot. Again next day the wandering train stopped some where in chattisgarh forest area and a lone vada vendor had a sale of his life time, when people and RPF men threatened him to be impartial and sell what he had judiciously to all.

In my coach was a well attired old man with a white mustache and tilak who did not have any thing to eat due to the train's erratic stoppages and he looked tired. I out of concern asked him if he had eaten anything and he smiled an said it was not a problem.

After a few hours and roughly evening time , I saw him weary and offered him some biscuits i had. To my surprise he wiped out a revolver and was mistaken for a BISCUIT BANDIT . I maintained my cool and told him to call the police and he pulled the chain. The train halted and the RPF personal and guard came running and this man caught hold of my shirt and shouted . " MAY ek retired DSP ye @#$%&* chor " the RPF and guard who spoke Tamil were conversing with me from Chennai now and then , pacified the old man and searched me and my suitcase.

I showed all papers for FGF kanpur and everybody laughed at me the BISCUIT BANDIT and the old man apologised profusly and called me "BETA " and told me that in Kanpur many FGF and SAF customers were robbed of their unloaded revolvers and he advised me to not have any acquaintance whatsoever with anyone in Kanpur and load the revolver as soon as possible and put it my vest / banian and rush to the railway station or hotel or any safe place.

At kanpur after four hours i got my revolver and it became dark as i came out and as he said , many strangers came to shake hands as if to congratulate me and others as if they were known to me . A doctor from Bihar who was with me at FGK , murmured me to ignore them and move on and we both got into an autorickshaw and sped to the railway station . On our way we stopped at a place and he took me to a Armoury and we purchased 50 cartridges each . The dealer did not hesitate to sell us.

I was told lately that i was a potential target as my appearance suggested that i am a outsider. So buy cartridges before you take delivery of your revolvers. You can convince the dealer by showing him your FGF or SAF papers .

[Safarigent]

As pointblank has done it himself, his experience is illuminating.
But again, he had brought the handgun, so he had the stamp in his arms license.
Having a mere booking order might not be enough.
So, just call up an arms dealer and clear the confusion

[SYED833]

Dealers in Hyderabad refused to sell ammo to me without the pistol endorsed o my license..So,I had to wait and get my weapon endorsed and then purchase ammo.
Regards
Syed

[perfectionist1]

Dear veeveeaar - great narration, good read.
Dear Syed - Thanks for your information.

Sirs,
I went to the arms dealer myself today, with my license and IOF/ FGF call letter. The dealer refused to give ammo on it since the weapon was not entered on it.
However, I was informed by him that I can get the revolver and once FGF stamps/enters it on my license, I can buy ammo from some outlet nearby FGF, they will provide.

I think I will not take chance and have to beg my father for some from his 0.32 Webley.

Dear WTP - he also has s&w 0.32 short KF made.

The attitude of NCR arms dealer is funny, I asked him if they have good holsters and Lanyard, he just said get the gun first and then I can have it.

Looks like a brush with civil and police depts. have got them this arrogance.
What a lanyard or holster has to do with getting the gun, I may keep mobile phone in the holster ( as one of the IFG member is doing) I dont remember the thread

Cheers...

[SYED833]

If you are planning on borrowing ur fathers rounds,please take care that your license validity includes kanpur,and the no of rounds you borrow are what you can hold on your license..If you do not have licence validity and are taking ammo into another state or district, you will be in the wrong and could face action..The right thing to do is to get a travel license for ammo and weapon..
Seniors kindly correct me if I am wrong
Regards
Syed