Indians For Guns

Posted: **Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:19 pm**

Hey Guys

I have a question for all of you.

I was issued an Arms license two years back on the basis of self defence.When I get a notice to deposit my arms from the zonal DCP for the upcoming elections and what not, I have to oblige.During this period, when my arms are deposited, lets just say someone tries to kill me, then WHO is responsible?

Anyways 99% of the gun crimes which takes place is India are not by licensed weapons but by illegal weapons.So why dosent the Govt. understand such a silly thing?

Or am I being silly here?

Your views please.

Cheers

Ashar

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:00 am**

HydNawab";p="16419 wrote:So why doesn't the Govt. understand such a silly thing?

I do not have the details memorized, so allow me some variance...
In the USA, our 'seat of govt' ie. Wash-DC basically "banned all guns"
some 20-odd years ago... the crime/assault/murder rates have been
higher and increased during this time-period...
Just a matter of weeks ago, there is an effort to remove the "ban"
to permit people to protect themselves...
(Other cities/area in the US have serious trouble, too: California, Mass, Illinois, NewYork... )

Some areas are making a little progress to get recognition for the
basic rights that should be understood in the first-place...
for example, Florida inacted a 'Castle Doctrine' a year or two ago...
to permit a clearer "assumption" of self-defense out-side the home.
Texas just signed the same thing into law a few days ago, to take
effect in a few weeks...

I, obviously, do not have an answer or reply to your situation.
I am not 'world traveled', but I am interested in knowing more.
I presume I enjoy an environment that permits more FireArm-use
than most of the world (perhaps: Switzerland)... but it is still a
society with many individual people that mis-understand and are
"afraid" of what they do not know(FireArms, spiders, snakes, tigers...).
It seems that all-to-often, the "politician/govt" will seek to maintain
it position of "power/control" by gathering the collective-fear/ignorant-mood
of the majority of the people for their support.

I frequently read the blog of http://www.JohnRLott.com/
he has written a few books on the correlation of CrimeRate -vs- Guns
and shows that personal-possession of firearms for self-defense
relates to a reduced crime rate when responsible-citizens can defend
themselves... because the "police" are only able to come to the scene
of a crime and investigate what has already happened.
In the USA, it is estimated, that some 2-million crimes ARE AVOIDED
each year by individuals having possession of a defense firearm.
** This represents situations where something DID NOT happen
and WAS NOT reported... because what criminal is going to run to
the police and say his attempted robber/assault was stopped by
a defense-gun-possession... and what citizen is going to undergo the
investigation by the police of their firearm-display when a crime was
not committed...

Please forgive my rambling... but the problems you mention are
part of each society... in varying degrees and situations.

I try to support the continued acceptance of firearms thru calm and
intelligent education when someone is receptive... the opponents
have no need to know what my opinion is...

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:06 am**

HydNawab";p="16419 wrote: When I get a notice to deposit my arms from the zonal DCP for the upcoming elections and what not, I have to oblige.During this period, when my arms are deposited, lets just say someone tries to kill me, then WHO is responsible?

Ashar

Become a member of the NRAI and then you dont have to deposit your firearms.
For more info visit www.nrai.in

Sanjay

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:00 am**

Ashar
Check this link for more detail on not to deposit your firearms. You can file a PIL in high court and get a similar order.
http://indiansforguns.com/portal.php?topic_id=1454

Danish

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:59 am**

Ashar

I understand your predicament but reality is in India even if you shoot an intruder the onus lies on defender to prove their innocence. so its a weird situation doomed if you do and doomed if you dont. Firing at some one should be the last resort..stay safe

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:37 am**

Ashar if you have some sort of fear ,,you can ask for Gunner from the Governmen.I think they will provide you if ur fear is genuine.

HydNawab";p="16419 wrote: Hey Guys

I have a question for all of you.

I was issued an Arms license two years back on the basis of self defence.When I get a notice to deposit my arms from the zonal DCP for the upcoming elections and what not, I have to oblige.During this period, when my arms are deposited, lets just say someone tries to kill me, then WHO is responsible?

Anyways 99% of the gun crimes which takes place is India are not by licensed weapons but by illegal weapons.So why dosent the Govt. understand such a silly thing?

Or am I being silly here?

Your views please.

Cheers

Ashar

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:26 am**

Sanjay/ngrewal

I have already filed for the NRAI life membership but Ihavent heard from them as yet.

My dad received a letter from the Zonal DCP in 1993.Heres what it reads.I will put up the actual copy of the letter today.

GOVT. OF AP
(Police Dept)

Office of the Dy.Commissioner of Police,
North Zone-Secunderabad

No.NZ/Comp/82/1993 Dt:7-10-1993

Sir,

This is to request and urge you to utilize your weaponin self defence (As per the provisions of Section 100 I.P.C) against the Dacoits, Robbers, Theives and extremists whenever your life or property is in danger of attack by them. Your right to self defence, extends to the point of killing the offenders during commission of such offences. You have the assurance of total legal protection in the event of excercising the right to self defence with your weapon against the said culprits.

Yours faithfully,

Sd/-
Dy.Commissioner of Police ,
North Zone - Secunderabad.

Copy of the above letter will be posted today

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:41 pm**

!!! Ashar eager to see it..

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:41 pm**

Thanks a lot

Posted: **Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:23 pm**

Welcome Toyfj40

Guys Toyfj40 is a friend from the Marlin Owners Forum. He is an active shooter and wanted to discuss issues of gun ownership and all in India.

I am very happy to see him posting here.

Regards Dev

(Katana)

toyfj40";p="16428 wrote:
HydNawab";p="16419 wrote:So why doesn't the Govt. understand such a silly thing?
I do not have the details memorized, so allow me some variance...
In the USA, our 'seat of govt' ie. Wash-DC basically "banned all guns"
some 20-odd years ago... the crime/assault/murder rates have been
higher and increased during this time-period...
Just a matter of weeks ago, there is an effort to remove the "ban"
to permit people to protect themselves...
(Other cities/area in the US have serious trouble, too: California, Mass, Illinois, NewYork... )

Some areas are making a little progress to get recognition for the
basic rights that should be understood in the first-place...
for example, Florida inacted a 'Castle Doctrine' a year or two ago...
to permit a clearer "assumption" of self-defense out-side the home.
Texas just signed the same thing into law a few days ago, to take
effect in a few weeks...

I, obviously, do not have an answer or reply to your situation.
I am not 'world traveled', but I am interested in knowing more.
I presume I enjoy an environment that permits more FireArm-use
than most of the world (perhaps: Switzerland)... but it is still a
society with many individual people that mis-understand and are
"afraid" of what they do not know(FireArms, spiders, snakes, tigers...).
It seems that all-to-often, the "politician/govt" will seek to maintain
it position of "power/control" by gathering the collective-fear/ignorant-mood
of the majority of the people for their support.

I frequently read the blog of http://www.JohnRLott.com/
he has written a few books on the correlation of CrimeRate -vs- Guns
and shows that personal-possession of firearms for self-defense
relates to a reduced crime rate when responsible-citizens can defend
themselves... because the "police" are only able to come to the scene
of a crime and investigate what has already happened.
In the USA, it is estimated, that some 2-million crimes ARE AVOIDED
each year by individuals having possession of a defense firearm.
** This represents situations where something DID NOT happen
and WAS NOT reported... because what criminal is going to run to
the police and say his attempted robber/assault was stopped by
a defense-gun-possession... and what citizen is going to undergo the
investigation by the police of their firearm-display when a crime was
not committed...

Please forgive my rambling... but the problems you mention are
part of each society... in varying degrees and situations.

I try to support the continued acceptance of firearms thru calm and
intelligent education when someone is receptive... the opponents
have no need to know what my opinion is...

Posted: **Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:02 am**

hi
in delhi we are having election for corporator, my uncle had to seposit his gun in SHO office even though he is NRAI member.
He said that we hav to deposit, either in SHO office or in teh NRAI office, but it cannot be with the owner in house.

Posted: **Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:51 am**

Ha, the Gestapo is on the prowl

Posted: **Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:31 pm**

dev";p="16497 wrote:Guys Toyfj40 is a friend from the Marlin Owners Forum.

Thanks.
This is a very nice forum.
The software is exceptional, my appreciation to the "admin(s)".

Posted: **Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:50 pm**

Hey Can any one from my family deposit my guns on my behalf as i m not there????Any rules for it???
Still i have not received any notice ,but incase if it arrives,can my family members deposit it in any shop?
Plz do suggest.

Posted: **Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:14 pm**

Guys. Depositing of Arms for any reason whatsoever, once the License has been granted is a fit case for a PIL in the High Court. There is a ruling regarding the bearing of firearms of the Madras High Court where it says that bearing of firearms should be read with right to life with dignity. I do not remember the year but it was quite sometime back.

Cheers.

Arindam.

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