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Firearms deposit: HC clips SHOs role

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:24 pm
by danish21
Firearms deposit: HC clips SHOs role

R N Pandey
[ 27 Mar, 2007 TIMES NEWS NETWORK ]


ALLAHABAD: In an important verdict having far-reaching consequences, the Allahabad High Court on Monday ruled that district magistrates cannot direct station house officers (SHOs) to exercise their discretion in getting firearms deposited.

The court quashed an order of district magistrate, Allahabad, stating that SHOs cannot be delegated the authority to get deposit firearms. The order was passed by the court as licence-holders were forced to deposit firearms due to forthcoming Assembly elections in the state. Passing a detailed order, Justice Tarun Agarwala disposed of several petitions, quashing the order of the district magistrate issued on March 3, 2007.

The court issued mandamus to the state of UP through chief secretary and other state authorities, including SHOs of the state, not to force the petitioners and other licence-holders in the state to deposit their firearms unless a review and objective assessment is made in individual cases by the competent authority.

The court said: "If it is found by the competent authority that there is a chance of misuse of the weapon an appropriate order in writing is required to be passed for getting the firearms deposited. The order of the deposit of weapon made by the competent authority should be communicated in writing to licence-holders." The court also made it clear that this direction will apply not only in this election, but also in all elections.

The court directed its registry to immediately forward the copy of this order to the chief secretary of the state for necessary communication to authorities concerned.

This order was passed on a writ petition filed by Uma Kant Yadav and others, who were directed to deposit firearms by SHOs concerned on the direction of the DM. The petitioners contended in the court that no sweeping orders could be issued by the administration for depositing firearms during elections.

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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:59 pm
by Risala
Danish
Did you deposit your fire arm,or were you one of the crusaders.
UP has the max no of Licenced fire arms in India approx 8 Lakhs,where on earht do they have storage for them in any case.
Many a time folks deposit the weapns and find parts missing.
This law needs to be scrapped.
Best
Sanjay

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:19 pm
by Olly
Danish,
Very thoughful of you to post this one...

If you could post (scan) the actual clipping of the newspaper where this was published, it would be very helpful, as Delhi is going to MCD polls on 5th Apr and the cops are doing the rounds of the gun-owners... It will be good for arguement sake, atleast.. !

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:24 pm
by danish21
Anupam

You can see this article in this link.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS ... 813085.cms

But if you want then i'll scan and post the newspaper clipping for you.

Danish

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:42 am
by Olly
Thank you Danish, for the effort. I will surely save myself with this... i've resisted them thus far !!! it is quite absurd to deposit the firearm, especially handguns issued for personal safety. Who takes the responsibility during the period when the gun is deposited in safe custody ? No answers...

PM for you...

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:53 pm
by Risala
Anupam,
Am :o ,cause never in the last 16 plus yrs have had to experience that.
Is this a recent development for new licencees atleast in Delhi.
Become a member of NRAI,or request a army friend or relative to have it deposited in the unit armoury,
its abs safe there.
Best
Sanjay

?? everyone going to surrender their weapon??

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:03 am
by raj
Due to the lok sabha elections ,collector has ordered to deposit weapons to nearest gun-store or police station by 13/03/09 or else strict action would be taken against the person.they say it is due to "aachar sanhita".
Please tell me is it same in every state??
what do IFG members think about this???

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:16 pm
by Anand
Hello,
"the Allahabad High Court on Monday ruled that district magistrates cannot direct station house officers (SHOs) to exercise their discretion in getting firearms deposited."

The focus, in this sentence, seems more on the powers delegated to SHO's with respect to deposit of Arms rather than the fact that, the act of asking Licensees by anyone (including the DM/Commissioner himself ) to deposit arms without specific reason is illegal/improper.

"The court issued mandamus to the state of UP through chief secretary and other state authorities, including SHOs of the state, not to force the petitioners and other licence-holders in the state to deposit their firearms unless a review and objective assessment is made in individual cases by the competent authority."

This is a more legalese than I can understand.....to me all legal stuff only throws up more questions than it answers.... Does it mean that even the commissioner cannot ask all licensees to deposit arms with out giving reasons and assessing individually each case or does he have the discretion to veto....
The reason I ask this is that, though its the SHO that sends the document asking for deposit of arms, it is titled as in "By order of the Commissioner of Police" or some such terminology.

It would help if the actual ruling was posted so as can be downloaded and printed to show the Police officials.
Thanks,
Anand

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:17 pm
by Anand
Hello again,

http://unnao.nic.in/Circular/ARMS/17.PDF

Is this the order we are talking about? If so can any lawyer members interpret the order and give a brief explanation so us lesser non legalese speaking mortals can understand it? Also is this valid in all states or only in U.P.?

A good piece on this topic....
http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/05/ ... un-owners/
Regards,
Anand

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:18 pm
by nagarifle
Anand wrote:Hello again,

http://unnao.nic.in/Circular/ARMS/17.PDF

Is this the order we are talking about? If so can any lawyer members interpret the order and give a brief explanation so us lesser non legalese speaking mortals can understand it? Also is this valid in all states or only in U.P.?

A good piece on this topic....
http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/05/ ... un-owners/
Regards,
Anand
if my understanding is right, this is state wise only, however it can be used in simmler cases to get same court order.

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:54 pm
by sudhaiob
will TN based IFGians show some light on the subject. i have been asked to deposit my weapon at the police station
regs
sudhaiob

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:23 am
by raj
hi evryone,

i m goimg to say bye-bye to my rifle for one month as i m going to deposit it today at the gun-shop.
feeling real bad today.i tried to get all this in newspapers but it didnt worked.

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:56 pm
by amk
The latest news from Mumbai is that issuance of TJPs in Mumbai has been halted.

AMK

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:50 pm
by Anand
Good News for Licensees of Dakshina Kannada who need not deposit their firearms during these elections. http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/20/stories ... 830300.htm
Regards,
Anand

Re: Firearms' deposit: HC clips SHOs' role

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:00 pm
by snIPer
Hey that sounds good. Wonder if it is applicable in Bangalore too.
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