Govt. wants entire world to know that you have firearms!

[goodboy_mentor]

What the hell! Just like the details of criminals are published so that entire world knows them, government wants entire world to know your details if you have legal firearms! As per government these details are not at all sensitive and the legal firearm owners have no Right to Privacy. Just visit http://sikar.nic.in/ and click on hyper link that says "THANAWISE ARMS DETAILS" you will get the license application number, license holder name, his father's name, address, type of firearm, quantity of firearms, firearm number, licensing authority, area validity, date of issue/date of expiry of licenses of all legal arms holders in the area of every police station in district!

Criminals will face no surprise if they decide to target these houses because they will know well in advance, how many arms, type of arms are there, limited ammunition quota per license is already well known to everybody. Criminals will arm themselves accordingly and also increase their numerical strength accordingly. Also criminals can easily target these houses when occupants are not inside their houses to steal the arms.

[Katana]

Thinking conversely, if this info was freely available, the opposite party would think twice before doing anything against the license holders too. Moreover, there are a lot of people holding licenses and arms whose antecedents are questionable. This would be a lovely tool to weed them out.

If you have a license, that itself is a legal document and a grant, so why shy away from that info?

[GlockFanWorld]

Thinking conversely, if this info was freely available, the opposite party would think twice before doing anything against the license holders too. Moreover, there are a lot of people holding licenses and arms whose antecedents are questionable. This would be a lovely tool to weed them out.

If you have a license, that itself is a legal document and a grant, so why shy away from that info?

That is great thinking Gujarati bhai.

[Katana]

Great to be Gujju too!

[goodboy_mentor]

Thinking conversely, if this info was freely available, the opposite party would think twice before doing anything against the license holders too.

This information has been made available freely at the above mentioned website. The main question is if I am an arms license holder, who is the government to publish my personal information for public consumption?

Moreover, there are a lot of people holding licenses and arms whose antecedents are questionable. This would be a lovely tool to weed them out.

If this is the tool to weed out undesirable people, then what does police do for preparing and submitting of police report before issuing of arms license? Are we also willing to allow the government to put our PAN card details, income tax return acknowledgment receipt details on a public website to weed out potential income tax evaders?

If you have a license, that itself is a legal document and a grant, so why shy away from that info?

Our PAN card details and income tax return acknowledgment receipts details are also legal documents. Why shy from these informations from being put up by government on website for public consumption?

[nvnrjn]

I agree with goodboy here. This kind of plastering a citizen's information all over the web is shocking .This would not only give the bad guys a tactical advantage over the legal arms holder, but would defeat the purpose of having a weapon for self defense in the first place.

It can work two ways. But both ways advantageous to the bad guys.
Scenario 1 is where the bad guys know who the license holders are and what weapons they have. So they will avoid these people and target the softer targets whose name does not feature in the licensed arms database available online. (They know for sure who is armed and who is not armed)

Scenario 2 is where the bad guys will again know who the arms holders are and what weapons they possess. So they will arm themselves much better and plan their attack better if they are going after the person with a licensed weapon if the loot is substantial.

The Art of War stresses upon the element of surprise. When the bad guys know your strengths (arms and ammo kept in your house) they will prepare much better and will surely defeat you. "In any battle the element of surprise can provide an overwhelming advantage. Even when face to face with an enemy, surprise can still be employed by attacking where he least expects it. To do this you must create an expectation in the enemy's mind through the use of a feint."

I for one after reading this news thought twice about whether an arms license is necessary for me. I definitely don't want my details to be publicized. Maybe it's one way for the government to discourage more people from wanting to get legal firearms. It's like they are taunting the citizens. "Fine! You want to go to court and get a license defying us? Then we'll plaster your details all over the web. See if you like that instead!"

Just my 2 cents.

[Subal das]

now any criminal can get all info he need to get access to your credit card security program like Visa verified and Master card secure. That is exactly info those programs asking. that is not only serious privacy breach, it is absolutely stupid, and direct crime facilitation.

those who put that info on net are plain idiots. Please someone contact some TV channel, that may help to fix the situation.

[ruger_rugged]

This is quite disturbing. How can the government do this? This is a complete evasion of privacy. There is no other way left but to take refuge with the Hon. court on this.

[SYED833]

now all the robbers,naxals,and anti social elements know where to get a easy gun..shocking. .innocent peoples lives are at risk here..

[Anand]

This sort of thing happened in one of the States in the USA, cant remember off hand, I think one of the CCW licensees took the department that put up the CCW holders details on the internet to court. I think they decided that it was privileged information or something, akin to posting a cops details.

Any law enforcement agency or a government department can get this information if they have a good reason for it. So what exactly is the advantage of posting it online? If this is being done to make it easy for dealers to check the varacity of a licensee more easily, then they should have some sort of log in/password system, which allows only dealers to use it.

Stupid idea if you ask me, whey are more and more difficulties being put up for the good guys??

I agree with goodboy_mentor and nvnrjn on the tactical aspects of putting up this info!
Anand

[goodboy_mentor]

those who put that info on net are plain idiots.

Absolutely correct, there no doubt about it.

now all the robbers,naxals,and anti social elements know where to get a easy gun..shocking. .innocent peoples lives are at risk here..

Absolutely correct. These people do not know that besides violating the Fundamental Right to Privacy, they are endangering the lives of citizens including national security by going against the very objectives of Arms Act 1959. I quote the relevant objectives hereunder:

"(c) to co-ordinate the rights of the citizen with the necessity of maintaining law and order and avoiding fifth-column activities in the country;

(d) to recognize the right of the State to requisition the services of every citizen in national emergencies. The licensees and permit holders for firearms, shikaris, target shooters and rifle-men in general (in appropriate age groups) will be of great service to the country in emergencies, if the Government can properly mobilize and utilize them". (Emphasis added)"

[nagarifle]

"You do not examine legislation in light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered."
~~ Lyndon B. Johnson

its the state Jaipur District, who has put this up.

but one is not aware this as being a national law.

if enough protest is made the local govt would have to remove such info. since no one is speaking out and no one is pointing out that next it could be their income details will be on the net for all to enjoy.

rigth to privacy should be enjoyed by all and not only the criminals

[goodboy_mentor]

The rights of citizens and the state are equal before our Constitution. Is the state putting all the details of its quantity, type, place of storage of arms etc. publicly on a website for the entire world to read? No. Then why violate the same rights of law abiding citizens which flow from same part of the Constitution? If I am a licensed firearm holder, I would consider this information being shared publicly by state as my private and sensitive information in interest of my security, just like the state considers its similar information private and sensitive in interest of security of the state.

[nagarifle]

then again the state is very good at giving out defence info to our chin bhais so if they give to our chin bhais then it should not be surprising if they give out our detaisl to criminals

[thomast1]

Shocking! P Chidamabram and his army of primates at MHA is unbeleivable!!..
Does he and ministry know about this??? he should think about having a website similar to this for people who commit crimes and frauds, thana, taluka wise!!! not license holders..

now these are the things antsocial elements can do and at the price of 1 hour internet..
1) see if the target (for tonight) is armed or not!
2) arm himself for tomorrows attack by breaking into the nearest guy in this list tonight.


Can the people do something about this legally? Dont we have any privacy rights?

Thomas