Indians For Guns

Ok this sounds silly, but is a holster by any definition of the law/related acts/rules, EXIM policy or otherwise, regarded as a spare part for a firearm?

Can members with ready references to relevant sections of the law/acts/rules please post your opinions or thoughts supported by relevant official documents? Thanks in advance.

I need this info in a hurry as I'm sparring with a prick from the white brigade.

Thanks again.

cc

arry bhiah , it is well known fact that with out the holster the gun can not function. thus it s has to be a part of a firearms thus it is wholy tooltly licenced. As is my underware which keeps my pistol in a safe place and stopes it dangling around.


na can not think of any such rules.

As far as I know, any part that belongs to a fire arm is not allowed to be imported by any route. But I am sure this does not cover any holsters that are made of Kydex, leather or nylon. Ihave had people in the foreign post confiscate ordinary metal screwss because the poor fallow declared them as gun screws.
Marksman

That's pretty unfair as by law minor parts like screws, springs etc. which can have multiple uses other than as parts of a gun are exempt from all provisions of the Arms Act.

Holsters/ gun cases/ gun sleeves etc. should be classified as baggage and not be covered under the Arms Act either.

What rule/ law is this person citing as the basis of changing the classification?

Cheers!
Abhijeet

mundaire wrote:
What rule/ law is this person citing as the basis of changing the classification?

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Ok the holsters (5 nos) came via post/courier and has been held up in Kolkota customs for over a month.

I got an almost illegible xeroxed notification asking for various documentations like invoice/brochures...etc. These came as a gift so I have none of these....and this is what I communicated to them. This afternoon I received the same notification from them with an additional pompous sounding handwritten side note directing me to "submit a copy of license to hold spare parts for firearms".... No other elaboration was included.

Dang.... I'll have to get all my trouser belts and trousers licensed at the earliest at the DCs office before they confiscate my almirah and leave me bottomless....after all, a lot of the time one is conceal-carrying on the belt.

On a more serious note, what should I write to this anal wart? EXIM rules?Baggage rules? certainly not the Arms Act/rules.

regards,
cc

Under no stretch of imagination a holster can be considered a part of firearm or covered under Arms Act 1959. Probably some "wise" bureaucrat may have placed holsters in restricted list of EXIM policy. Just ask for relevant sections of law, rule etc. by which they are creating problems for bringing in the holster. A holster can also be used to keep toy guns by children or used by actors in movies, TV serials and theaters etc. The real problem these days is that government officials rather than following the law, have started behaving as a law themselves.

goodboy_mentor wrote:Under no stretch of imagination a holster can be considered a part of firearm or covered under Arms Act 1959. Probably some "wise" bureaucrat may have placed holsters in restricted list of EXIM policy. Just ask for relevant sections of law, rule etc. by which they are creating problems for bringing in the holster. A holster can also be used to keep toy guns by children or used by actors in movies, TV serials and theaters etc. The real problem these days is that government officials rather than following the law, have started behaving as a law themselves.

Probably this babu thinks hes dealing with a simple ignorant hill-person.... hmmm rich pickings to be made

cottage cheese wrote:On a more serious note, what should I write to this anal wart? EXIM rules?Baggage rules? certainly not the Arms Act/rules.

regards,
cc

Ask him under what section of what rule / act has he impounded your package?? Once, we have clarification of that, we'll take it up from there.

Regards

m24 wrote:

cottage cheese wrote:On a more serious note, what should I write to this anal wart? EXIM rules?Baggage rules? certainly not the Arms Act/rules.

regards,
cc

Ask him under what section of what rule / act has he impounded your package?? Once, we have clarification of that, we'll take it up from there.

Regards

Nothing else other than "You are requested to submit all the documents underlined & also submit license for having spare parts of firearms"


Tempted to use some toilet paper vigorously, stuff it in an official looking brown envelope and mail it to the fart.

regards,
cc

From the sound of it, the first letter asking for brochures/ invoices etc. would have been towards them aiming to levy a "suitable" import duty on the items.

Since the qty. was 5, they would assume it's a commercial import and be proceeding further on the assumption.

Since the items are related to guns and everyone knows what sort of markups gun dealers have on anything & everything - they would further assume that the importer is about to make a killing on selling these and are probably expecting their "pound of flesh" in return...

You need to look up the latest exim policy online and figure out the correct exim codes for these. Also, look up the duty rates for the relevant classification, dig up online retailers selling these exact products and take a print out of the page(s) with prices clearly showing and a weblink to the page clearly visible.

I'm afraid you probably need to prepare yourself to pay 30% duty or thereabouts (on CIF value). Sorry for not being able to be of much more help.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

-- 26 Oct 2010 07:39 pm --

P.S. - I've paid duty in excess of 30% of CIF value on similar imports, on more than one occasion (cleaning/ maintenance items, shooting vest, pistol cases etc.). Of course these were ordered directly from online stores and came with full invoices on which value the duty was charged.

Hey Abhijeet,

Thanks nevertheless for the pointers.

Obviously, it 'd be pointless explaining and there's probably no way I can prove that they are gifts for my classmates who are now cops.... o well... I heard somewhere that I can request them to send unresolvable items back to the sender?
Googling EXIM code listings for holsters only brings up holsters under the leather category... that too exports....

Well... lets see how it turns out.

Thanks all for the logical deductions so far, gentlemen.

Regards,
cc

darn i just inportd to set of jockeies, hope they do not get compunded

CC, the holster's made of what material??

Regards

-- Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:29 pm --

nagarifle wrote:darn i just inportd to set of jockeies, hope they do not get compunded

The Indian made don't fit you or what??

Regards

m24 wrote:CC, the holster's made of what material??

Plastic.... polymer to be precise.... Fobus...

The only Indian knickers suitable for holstering weapons come from IOFB clothing stores.... so Importing is the better option


regards,
cc

CC,

The fellow obviously is assuming that since this is related to a firearm it requires a license.

If I were you, this is what I would say

"Dear ( whatever)

With reference to your letter dated blah blah blah I wish to draw our attention to Section 2 (c) of the Arms Act,1959 that is reproduced hereunder Sec.2(c) "arms" means..........

I would also like to draw your attention to Section 2 (e) of the aforesaid act that is reproduced Sec.2 (e) "firearm" means.............

As is clear from the aforesaid description ,a holster is neither an arm nor a firearm nor is it a part of firearm that would require a license.In fact it can be easily made from any material leather,canvas or even cloth.I am sure I can get one stitched from the local tailor.It does not require a license.


The holsters were sent to me as a gift. A gift of less than Rs....... in value does not require a duty to be paid.(I am sure you can get your friend to send you a letter giving the value and this you can forward along with your letter)

Yours blah blah blah"