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Ignorant foolhis simple reaction was there was no need to deposit.
So my advise is if one is willing to keep the weapon and had applied the license then let the weapon be resting at your home untill some office ask you to deposite any where
Or if you have to,fill it up with grease and do check up from time to time,especially during monsoons.Try to get the armorer to take special care of your weapon.NO POLICE STATION PLEASE
You can deposit the ammo at the same place where you deposited the revolver. The gun shop owner or the police, depending on where you deposited the revolver, can add the ammo on the same receipt which they gave you for revolver.Kamal_a wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:15 amI will highly appreciate , any guidance or assistance, My father passed away this year, he had a revolver license which he had submitted but while we were checking the belongings we found that there are some bullets and the original license of the Revolver is still present in the house, Now Please pardon my ignorance , I have no clue what needs to be done next , during the time while submitting the revolver does the bullet also had to submitted or do one needs to submit it individually , if yes then where do I need to submit it
NSP weapons can be transferred directly to only another serving member of the armed forces only during the lifetime of the holder. NSP weapons CANNOT be sold! However in the eventuality of the holders demise the weapon has to be returned back to COD Jabalpur. The weapon, unlike civilian issued weapons, cannot be deposited with a gun shop/ Police Armoury or retained at home till such time that the heir applies for a license. All documentation is channeled through Army Hq.drifter81 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:31 pmMy father also passed away earlier in the year (May 2021). We have located his license now. He had 2 weapons - 1no. SBBL 12 bore and a 7.62 mm pistol procured/bought/issued from the Army at time of retirement from the Air Force. Now when I went to the local district authorities at Lucknow (his last city of residence at the time of demise) I have been told by some clerical staff in the concerned department in the DM office that I'll have to write a letter requesting to deposit the 12 bore gun at an Gun shop/police armoury, post which they will "consider"/"investigate" and then if satisfied give permission accordingly to deposit at the aforementioned places.Subsequently, a fresh arms licence will have to be applied for separately by the legal heir, if so desired, and then the said weapon may be endorsed on it (as & when it comes through) later on request, and then get the said weapon released from storage
As for the Army issued "NSP" weapon, the endorsement on the license says that it is not for "sale/transfer without the permission of the Army HQ". All this is fine.
However, herein lies the problem, while I figure out (after contacting the concerned Army deptt./wing) the way forward (return or transfer to self after applying for license etc.) with the Army issued weapon, the aforementioned DM clerical staff are saying that the same cannot be stored/deposited at the Gun shops/police armoury in the meanwhile and has to be "directly" returned to the Army depot. Now, how is that ?? that can't be the correct ?? can't I directly contact the gun shops and request for safe keeping ? and incase, if i have to keep it at the house for now, isn't it asking for trouble ?
can anybody shed some light ?
(Note : And by the way, The Licence is technically still valid as far as the date is concerned, i.e. expiring on 12 Nov 2021.)
@revolverrevolver wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:39 amNSP weapons can be transferred directly to only another serving member of the armed forces only during the lifetime of the holder. NSP weapons CANNOT be sold! However in the eventuality of the holders demise the weapon has to be returned back to COD Jabalpur. The weapon, unlike civilian issued weapons, cannot be deposited with a gun shop/ Police Armoury or retained at home till such time that the heir applies for a license. All documentation is channeled through Army Hq.drifter81 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:31 pmMy father also passed away earlier in the year (May 2021). We have located his license now. He had 2 weapons - 1no. SBBL 12 bore and a 7.62 mm pistol procured/bought/issued from the Army at time of retirement from the Air Force. Now when I went to the local district authorities at Lucknow (his last city of residence at the time of demise) I have been told by some clerical staff in the concerned department in the DM office that I'll have to write a letter requesting to deposit the 12 bore gun at an Gun shop/police armoury, post which they will "consider"/"investigate" and then if satisfied give permission accordingly to deposit at the aforementioned places.Subsequently, a fresh arms licence will have to be applied for separately by the legal heir, if so desired, and then the said weapon may be endorsed on it (as & when it comes through) later on request, and then get the said weapon released from storage
As for the Army issued "NSP" weapon, the endorsement on the license says that it is not for "sale/transfer without the permission of the Army HQ". All this is fine.
However, herein lies the problem, while I figure out (after contacting the concerned Army deptt./wing) the way forward (return or transfer to self after applying for license etc.) with the Army issued weapon, the aforementioned DM clerical staff are saying that the same cannot be stored/deposited at the Gun shops/police armoury in the meanwhile and has to be "directly" returned to the Army depot. Now, how is that ?? that can't be the correct ?? can't I directly contact the gun shops and request for safe keeping ? and incase, if i have to keep it at the house for now, isn't it asking for trouble ?
can anybody shed some light ?
(Note : And by the way, The Licence is technically still valid as far as the date is concerned, i.e. expiring on 12 Nov 2021.)
Let me know if you need any assistance with the documentation or clarification.
I think your second of option of informing the district authorities and simultaneously seeking permission from IHQ to deposit the weapon should be a suitable approach. Don’t worry too much about keeping the weapon at home till such time that the disposal directions come. Just call up the IHQ or personally go and meet them and inform them about your situation. They may even ask you to deposit it to an Army Unit near you. This will be faster than seeking a written reply which you must pursue simultaneously. You can even ask the district authorities to issue you with a letter authorising you to carry the weapon to Jabalpur to deposit it similar to something like a TJP. My only recommendation is to keep the district authorities in the loop while following directions by IHQ. They are promt in such cases. Let me know if you have trouble connecting with IHQ.drifter81 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:38 pmthank you all for your response, suggestions & information
@revolverrevolver wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:39 amNSP weapons can be transferred directly to only another serving member of the armed forces only during the lifetime of the holder. NSP weapons CANNOT be sold! However in the eventuality of the holders demise the weapon has to be returned back to COD Jabalpur. The weapon, unlike civilian issued weapons, cannot be deposited with a gun shop/ Police Armoury or retained at home till such time that the heir applies for a license. All documentation is channeled through Army Hq.drifter81 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:31 pmMy father also passed away earlier in the year (May 2021). We have located his license now. He had 2 weapons - 1no. SBBL 12 bore and a 7.62 mm pistol procured/bought/issued from the Army at time of retirement from the Air Force. Now when I went to the local district authorities at Lucknow (his last city of residence at the time of demise) I have been told by some clerical staff in the concerned department in the DM office that I'll have to write a letter requesting to deposit the 12 bore gun at an Gun shop/police armoury, post which they will "consider"/"investigate" and then if satisfied give permission accordingly to deposit at the aforementioned places.Subsequently, a fresh arms licence will have to be applied for separately by the legal heir, if so desired, and then the said weapon may be endorsed on it (as & when it comes through) later on request, and then get the said weapon released from storage
As for the Army issued "NSP" weapon, the endorsement on the license says that it is not for "sale/transfer without the permission of the Army HQ". All this is fine.
However, herein lies the problem, while I figure out (after contacting the concerned Army deptt./wing) the way forward (return or transfer to self after applying for license etc.) with the Army issued weapon, the aforementioned DM clerical staff are saying that the same cannot be stored/deposited at the Gun shops/police armoury in the meanwhile and has to be "directly" returned to the Army depot. Now, how is that ?? that can't be the correct ?? can't I directly contact the gun shops and request for safe keeping ? and incase, if i have to keep it at the house for now, isn't it asking for trouble ?
can anybody shed some light ?
(Note : And by the way, The Licence is technically still valid as far as the date is concerned, i.e. expiring on 12 Nov 2021.)
Let me know if you need any assistance with the documentation or clarification.
(ref. disposal of NSP weapon above)
I have gone through the following instructions from the veterans site:
https://www.indianarmyveterans.gov.in/s ... 5&lid=1287
However, it doesn't provide information about the following 3 things:
1) the scenario - wherein the NOK/heir wishes to simply return the weapon (though something simple on the lines of this maybe attempted : though this is by a weapon holder himself & not NOK/heir)
2) weapon storage TILL a disposal order/instruction comes through from IHQ (Army) - post intimation from own end (Primary concern)
3) authority/permission to carry/transport the weapon for deposit/disposal at COD (different state)
The above may assume more importance owing to :
a) time elapsed since demise (May 2021) and upcoming license validity end (i.e. 12 Nov 2021, which most likely would lapse by the time the disposal order comes &/ disposal takes place)
b) self not being a license holder &/ endorsed retainer
As I see it, I seem to have the following Courses of Action available:
CoA-I)
for NSP weapon, write to IHQ (Army) only, while retaining at the accommodation and wait it out till further instruction w/o taking district authorities in the loop at this stage {taking a chance here but what else can be done (but i guess will still need to inform them later for permission to travel ? & also, post return to the COD, for updating the database ? )}
CoA-II)
submit the application for NSP weapon deposit to the district authorities (along with non-NSP weapon being submitted shortly)
(Ia) INCASE they DO allow temporary deposit for the NSP weapon at Gunshop/armoury - post which, inform IHQ (Army) for further action
(Ib) INCASE they DO NOT permit, it is hoped that atleast they'll give it in writing ; post-which contact with the IHQ (Army) shall be initiated while retaining the weapon at the accommodation till further notice (atleast then the local authorities can't say they weren't informed/asked)
Your thoughts on this.
Thank You
[PS : (1) also, aside from the above, is it likely that the request for deposit of non-NSP weapon (& NSP, incase) may take longer time to process, if the License (though with all India validity), was not originally issued from the current state of residence and the last renewal, though from current state of residence was from another district ?
(2) apologies for the lengthy post, am just trying to find a proper way out]
I also think this is correct. army weapons in general are Government property and has to be returned after death of original holder. it is not transferable.