Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
- Armour
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Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
Hi Esteemed Members,
I was just wondering if finally getting a license & a weapon the end of all bureaucratic miseries? Guess not, most state police authorities seem to be working with their own clout of locally passed directives to gun dealers without any substantial written order. For example the Delhi Licensing authority in its own capacity has ADVISED all dealers in Delhi not to sell ammo to arms license holders from J&K, North East, Punjab and Maharashtra. Can one not buy ammo in authorized category in prescribed limit from other states? Can one not gain the benefit of competitive pricing? I was refused sale of 30 06 ammo point blank by many Delhi dealers today citing various lame excuses...go here, go there....form 7..special permission...letter from ACP licensing...etc. All this, after prior confirmation by them of ample availability with them on phone and once you are there they scrutinize your license as if they are the Wikipedia on licensing regulations & you are a crook. Every dealer seems to be wanting to work in his comfort zone & under locally passed orders all in name of ANY EVENTUALITY LATER. What good was it getting over the initial harassment of getting an arms license if you have to live by it every time you want to press the trigger. I AM DISHEARTENED.
Kindly Advise.......
Regards
I was just wondering if finally getting a license & a weapon the end of all bureaucratic miseries? Guess not, most state police authorities seem to be working with their own clout of locally passed directives to gun dealers without any substantial written order. For example the Delhi Licensing authority in its own capacity has ADVISED all dealers in Delhi not to sell ammo to arms license holders from J&K, North East, Punjab and Maharashtra. Can one not buy ammo in authorized category in prescribed limit from other states? Can one not gain the benefit of competitive pricing? I was refused sale of 30 06 ammo point blank by many Delhi dealers today citing various lame excuses...go here, go there....form 7..special permission...letter from ACP licensing...etc. All this, after prior confirmation by them of ample availability with them on phone and once you are there they scrutinize your license as if they are the Wikipedia on licensing regulations & you are a crook. Every dealer seems to be wanting to work in his comfort zone & under locally passed orders all in name of ANY EVENTUALITY LATER. What good was it getting over the initial harassment of getting an arms license if you have to live by it every time you want to press the trigger. I AM DISHEARTENED.
Kindly Advise.......
Regards
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
Every dealer is a private individual who has the choice of refusing to do business with whoever he wants to.
However, as a customer, you have the choice to let everyone know when you have been treated badly and to publicly air your complaints so everyone is aware of your mistreatment. For example, if someone told me that a dealer had done this or that to him and I found it objectionable, I would more than likely not do business with that dealer again.
However, as a customer, you have the choice to let everyone know when you have been treated badly and to publicly air your complaints so everyone is aware of your mistreatment. For example, if someone told me that a dealer had done this or that to him and I found it objectionable, I would more than likely not do business with that dealer again.
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
Yeah, please name the guys we haven't tarred and feathered anyone for a while.
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- Armour
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
I don't see anything wrong in reporting them to the forum..its Bobby from 'Kewal Krishan Sharma Arms Dealers' in Laxmi Nagar and Ankit from 'Ankit Gun House' in Bali Nagar.
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
Armour....where is ur licence from? There must be some reason that Mr Bobby refused...he is one of the most reputed dealers in terms of retail sales....
When u inquire on phone...the dealer dosent have ur licence in front of him and after seeing the licence the dealer must have had some apprehension that he did not issue the ammunition. Being careful does not necessarily mean the dealer is trying to act smart...
When u inquire on phone...the dealer dosent have ur licence in front of him and after seeing the licence the dealer must have had some apprehension that he did not issue the ammunition. Being careful does not necessarily mean the dealer is trying to act smart...
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
as art collector can verfey that licence holder from NAGALAND will not get ammo in delhi, even if the licence is 100% pukka. same in punjab as well. however if one goes to ask for any legally notification they have none to give. when it comes to arms and ammo its the sellers market.
most dealers want to pay safe with the police and do not have the balls to give ammo to honest licence holders. in case they get in s**t with the local law and disorder boys.
it is noting but prejudiced on the part of the dealers. as far as i am concerned.
dealers like anyone else want to proctact their licence to deal. so one takes one business where one can.
most dealers want to pay safe with the police and do not have the balls to give ammo to honest licence holders. in case they get in s**t with the local law and disorder boys.
it is noting but prejudiced on the part of the dealers. as far as i am concerned.
dealers like anyone else want to proctact their licence to deal. so one takes one business where one can.
Nagarifle
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- Armour
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
Dear Art Collector, Reputation does not necessarily mean 'Know all-right reasoning' on Bobby's part. You need to be justified in an overall perspective of doing business with credible people. On the contrary the behaviour meted out to me was purely a matter of saving their own skin even after knowing that my license is legit.I too value my credentials and they are guaranteed to Class 1 level by The President of India. If not for a legit license I wouldn't be investing time on the IFG site relating to all other esteemed/enthused members. It was just that I am in Delhi for a fortnight and I found that 30.06 ammo was very competitively priced here thus thought of buying it from here. My license is from J&K and is good 2 yrs into existence with one transfer of arms already carried out on it TOO, can't I buy ammo from anywhere in India? Are we saying Punjab, Maharashtra, North East States and J&K don't have a preferred state status within the dominion of India?? See, the arguments will be never ending from both sides, but at some point of time in our arguments I was told that its an ADVISE 'only' from Delhi Licensing and what if something goes wrong, I cannot run around to find about your whereabouts..... (when my own permanent residence also mentioned in the license is just 2.5 Km from Bobby's shop). So much so for the Credibility assured by The President of India.... Its just not done for all ethical & official reasons.
Regards with no offenses meant to anyone.
Regards with no offenses meant to anyone.
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
the question as to where the licensed is issued form is beside the fact as long as its issued in INDIA AND BY INDIAN authority should be the point otherwise is a mal intent in the part of the dealer regardless of how good he is! the fact how good he is shows up when he refused to sell to selective state issued licences. without a valid reason. the fact is that it is not the holder who is victimised but the whole state by the dealers. as their solo reason is base on which state issued the licensed.
can any dealer say that my licence is not valid? if so when have they been empowered to do so? can any dealer say that may licence is fake? if so from what information do they base that on? the mere fact that some licence are and were one time issued which were fake etc from Nagaland which now is not the case. but which state in INDIA does not issues fake licence?
i have been refused ammo from many dealers in Delhi but i have also be given ammo from dealers in Delhi who knew me as one with a good licence.
which tells me that most dealers in delhi do not give and they do not have the ability to judge a law abiding person.
can any dealer say that my licence is not valid? if so when have they been empowered to do so? can any dealer say that may licence is fake? if so from what information do they base that on? the mere fact that some licence are and were one time issued which were fake etc from Nagaland which now is not the case. but which state in INDIA does not issues fake licence?
i have been refused ammo from many dealers in Delhi but i have also be given ammo from dealers in Delhi who knew me as one with a good licence.
which tells me that most dealers in delhi do not give and they do not have the ability to judge a law abiding person.
Nagarifle
if you say it can not be done, then you are right, for you, it can not be done.
if you say it can not be done, then you are right, for you, it can not be done.
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
These are just the symptoms of the problem. Until the root cause of the problem is addressed, I do not see any cure to the problem.
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Re: Can dealers refuse selling of Ammo on legit license?
Dear Armour,
After going through your post, I think I can put this question to you which has not been answered to my satisfaction till date via link http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18283.
Do try to answer
After going through your post, I think I can put this question to you which has not been answered to my satisfaction till date via link http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18283.
Do try to answer