When threatened, what level of response is "Appropriate" ?

Skyman · Post by **Skyman** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:14 am

A 6 foot zone is quite a luxury.And yes, knives kill much quicker than sticks.

Post by **xl_target** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:33 am

I think anywhere in the world, half of the job is done just by brandishing the weapon. If the guy still doesn't get it then yes a shot in the leg will do it.

You can't rely on that. If you aren't prepared to shoot when you pull the gun, you might get it taken away from you. That is why you only draw if no other option is available.
As for shooting at the legs, you probably won't have a chance if someone is rushing you. You'll be lucky to hit them at all unless you have trained for it. Even at a mere seven yards, drawing, shooting and hitting the target in one smooth motion is more than most people can accomplish. That is why most people train to hit the center of mass.

According the Dennis Tueller (the originator of the Tueller drill), it takes 1.5 seconds for a knife wielding attacker to reach you from a distance of 21 feet. Most people can't draw, present and fire accurately in that time. Even if you have trained to draw and shoot in that time period, doing it under pressure can be a vastly different experience. If you fumble your safety, you're going to get cut. If you fumble your grip when unholstering, you're going to get cut. If you hesitate, you're going to get cut. If you miss, you're going to get cut. If your gun sticks in the holster as you attempt to draw, you're going to get cut. If you don't hit a vital spot, you're going to get cut. 21 feet doesn't seem that close but it is.

That is one of the reasons why many instructors teach that you shoot till the threat is stopped and emphasize practicing till the moves are ingrained in your muscle memory. Unlike in the movies, shooting a handgun accurately under pressure is not as easy as point and click. That is also why many people choose carry guns that don't have an manual safety on them. Guns like Glock's, most Sig's, the Springfield XD series, etc. don't have manual safeties. You can, however, train to automatically take the safety off as you present the gun. For a firearm used for hunting, I would appreciate a safety. For a carry gun; not so much.

Skyman · Post by **Skyman** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:36 am

Well said.Very few people realize just how far an adrenalin crazed perp will go.

goodboy_mentor · Post by **goodboy_mentor** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:38 am

A 6 foot zone is quite a luxury.

Not a luxury when confronted by someone better armed or trained than you or confronted by more than one person.

knives kill much quicker than sticks.

Do not underestimate the sticks when they hit you on certain parts of your body. For example a powerful blow by stick on the head or heart can instantly kill a person.

nagarifle · Post by **nagarifle** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:35 pm

In self defense two points should be kept in mind;

1/ can you remove yourself from the threat?
2/ can you remove the threat?

in most cases its our macho stupid thinking trys to take on the threat, when on most cases there are indicators which can be seen, a gentle man would try to cool down the situation and walk away peacefully.

just the other day some group of people called a road block, they blocked the road, i could have driven over the block and that could have caused some aggro. i decided that i was not willing take the risk since i had family with me, so found a second route. i got what i wanted and those stiffneckd people remained stupid.

macho idiots get killed/hurt,

eh oh one does not have to fully drew ones gun and extend the arm to shoot, one can shoot from the waist at close quarters.

Skyman · Post by **Skyman** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:12 pm

A 6 foot zone is quite a luxury.
Not a luxury when confronted by someone better armed or trained than you or confronted by more than one person.

Which is when they won't give you a 6 foot zone.My point exactly.

knives kill much quicker than sticks.
Do not underestimate the sticks when they hit you on certain parts of your body. For example a powerful blow by stick on the head or heart can instantly kill a person.

Note: above said in context of use by untrained perp.Any weapon is only as dangerous as your ability to use it.

eh oh one does not have to fully drew ones gun and extend the arm to shoot, one can shoot from the waist at close quarters.

Assassins use that to kill in crowded areas.

Safarigent · Post by **Safarigent** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:30 pm

Xl_target:
Heres a thought. If a guy is rushing at you from 21 feet away and will reach you in 1.5 seconds, why cant you turn and run away?
I agree with nagarifle to the extent that stupid/macho guys get into trouble.
Isnt it always better to pour oil on troubled waters?
Theres a feeling that everyone jumps straight onto the extreme response and spend all or the majority of their time thinking about that.
What would be your thoughts before you have to wield a firearm for self defence?
I know its basic for guys like you, but it needs to be ennunciated so that guests and inexperienced blokes like me get the benefit of your and other members experience.
I am looking forward to a nice, meaningful exchange of ideas in this topic.

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