maximum number of cartriges after new central rules

[rohitbansal76]

Dear All
Many of us may not know that central govt has made max cartridges limit 50, even for those who have more than 50 on their licensees. Govt has sent letters to to arms dealers for not issuing cartridges more than 50. What options we have against these orders?

Regards

Rohit

[vrohan59]

If this really is true we are in for bad times ahead

[goodboy_mentor]

What options we have against these orders?

Discuss about the available options with NAGRI. Support and join NAGRI.
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[nagarifle]

ok so if they they dealers only issue 50 shots, you go on monday buy 50 go in on tue buy 50 and so on.

[rohitbansal76]

Not possible. It is 50 per year

-- Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:20 pm --

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It is not free. Membership form shows one has to pay Rs 25000/- for life membership which I feel is too much and I don't know what are the benefits of paying this huge sum.

[goodboy_mentor]

It is free for this year. Rs 25000 only for life members not for yearly members. What kind of "benefits" are you seeking, can you please elaborate? If we do not organise and stand up for our rights, the days are not far when only criminals and police will have firearms. This MHA order dated 31.3.2010 which is causing only 50 cartridges per year to be purchased is just the minor beginning about the things to happen if not opposed. This organization stands for fighting for your and my gun rights, to popularize widespread responsible gun ownership. If you have any better ideas please feel free to contact NAGRI.

[bill]

i agree. we all have to jointly fight for our rights. more the numbers, stronger we are............

[goodboy_mentor]

Yes Bill you are correct, we need to organise so that our voice counts.

Self defense is a fundamental right guaranteed under Article 21 of our constitution. Applying for arms license is a legal right. The Right to Life & Liberty is guaranteed by Article 21 of Constitution. The guarantee of Right to Life & Liberty becomes absolutely meaningless if the Right to Self Defense is denied. Also the Right to Self Defense becomes absolutely meaningless if the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is denied. It clearly follows if RKBA is violated by State the Right to Life & Liberty gets violated by State. Constitution is the fountain of all powers and laws. The Police and paramilitary are also given firearms for the same right of self defense as per RKBA as allowed by the same Constitutional guarantee under Article 21. Rights of citizens are no less. Self Defense and RKBA are Human Rights as well. RKBA is also a right which Indians have been enjoying from the times immemorial. It is only during brief colonial period under British rule it was violated for colonial reasons.

The very first draft bill of rights for all Indians was a part of the Nehru Report of 1928, it was prepared by a committee of the All Parties Conference chaired by Motilal Nehru with Jawaharlal Nehru acting as secretary. Along with other basic rights to be enjoyed by every Indian citizen, was also the right to keep and bear arms.

Throughout the freedom struggle our leaders protested against the Arms Act of 1878, demanding for every Indian citizen the right to keep and bear arms. For example in Nagpur around 1923 or 1924 there was a Satyagraha movement against the prevailing Arms Act. This movement attracted Satyagrahis from all over India, it went on for six months and the Indian National Congress put its seal of approval on this Satyagraha movement against the Arms Act. In fact even the Father of Nation, Mahatma Gandhi, protested for the right of every Indian citizen to keep and bear arms, going so far as to state that, “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest”.

The Indian National Congress in it's historic 1931 Resolution on Fundamental Rights passed at Karachi stated “This Congress is of opinion that to enable the masses to appreciate what Swaraj as conceived by the Congress will mean to them, it is desirable to state the position of the Congress in a manner easily understood by them...” “...The Congress, therefore, declares that any constitution...” please note these words - any constitution, “...which may be agreed to on its behalf, should provide or enable the Swaraj Government to provide for the following...” and various fundamental rights are enumerated, among which was also this one-- “Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms in accordance with regulations and reservations made in that behalf.” Due to the circumstances under which India gained independence and the prevailing volatile conditions, it was decided not to include the right to keep and bear arms as a fundamental right but to instead recognise it as a legal right of every citizen, but a citizen's right all the same. This can also be ascertained by reading the stated objectives of the Arms Act 1959. Following two of the objectives of Arms Act 1959 state:
(ii) that weapons for self-defence are available for all citizens under license unless their antecedents or propensities do not entitle them for the privilege; and
(iii) that firearms required for training purposes and ordinary civilian use are made more easily available on permits;

People are made to believe democracy is freedom. Just a democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote. One very important right among those rights is the fundamental Right to Keep and Bear Arms. RKBA also acts as a very important safegaurd to protect other fundamental rights as well. A government that does not trust its citizens with the means of self-defense is not itself worthy of trust. Laws disarming citizens proclaim that the government is the master, not the servant of the people.

[rohitbansal76]

It is free for this year. Rs 25000 only for life members not for yearly members. What kind of "benefits" are you seeking, can you please elaborate? If we do not organise and stand up for our rights, the days are not far when only criminals and police will have firearms. This MHA order dated 31.3.2010 which is causing only 50 cartridges per year to be purchased is just the minor beginning about the things to happen if not opposed. This organization stands for fighting for your and my gun rights, to popularize widespread responsible gun ownership. If you have any better ideas please feel free to contact NAGRI.

Getting arms license has always been very difficult in India for common man without good links. Increasing number of shots is even more difficult. At time when we are getting gold medals in shooting in CWG, govt making it very difficult to buy shots even for practice. If govt is really sincere at least it should have exempted various rifle association members in its order.

---I want to join NAGRI but I think it is my right to know what benefits I will get for paying money. When any organization charges payment, it is the duty of that organization to tell people that for what they are charging money and what they will be providing if somebody becomes premium members(with payment). If this payment is for a social cause then NAGRI should tell gun lovers to give donations for the betterment of our (gun)community.

---When I became member of NRAI 6 years back with 15000/- I was told that members of NRAI get ammunition at discounted price etc etc, which I never got. This is the reason I am little bit more conscious.

---My suggestion is NAGRI should make registration online rather than downloading, filling forms and sending to delhi, as it will be very convenient. My second suggestion is NAGRI should give free life membership to at least NRAI life members.

With highest regards

Rohit

[Anand]

What happens to all the competition shooters who have more than 50 cartridges on their licenses??
I dont get how this helps the situation (even as the MHA sees it) There are those who have licenses for reasons other than self defense with more than 50 cartridges.
This really sucks!!!
AnAnd

[nagarifle]

---I want to join NAGRI but I think it is my right to know what benefits I will get for paying money. When any organization charges payment, it is the duty of that organization to tell people that for what they are charging money and what they will be providing if somebody becomes premium members(with payment). If this payment is for a social cause then NAGRI should tell gun lovers to give donations for the betterment of our (gun)community.

---When I became member of NRAI 6 years back with 15000/- I was told that members of NRAI get ammunition at discounted price etc etc, which I never got. This is the reason I am little bit more conscious.

---My suggestion is NAGRI should make registration online rather than downloading, filling forms and sending to delhi, as it will be very convenient. My second suggestion is NAGRI should give free life membership to at least NRAI life members.

With highest regards

Rohit

we Indians always want something for noting, NAGRI is not about what i can get out of it. it s about what i can give. its not about benefits for me now. its about benefits for my grandchildren.

if one reads the http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10223
one would know what NAGARI is about.

one like many others are life long members of NRAI. one like many others are willing to contribute financially to NAGRI as one like many others see NAGRI a way to protect our rights to keep firearms.

NAGRI is not govt funded or supported. its supports comes from people who care about RKBA.