Indians For Guns

Hi
We all know the perils of importing an air gun to India. The current climate will not allow international vendors to bring their guns to India.
So I want to know if there exists a mechanism which will work (which means not dropping a letter in suggestion box) by use of which we can let IHP or other good air gun makers can make guns of types and quality we want.

I am sure if the quality and available models are at par with international brands we will all be happy to buy them.
It will be so nice to own air revolvers, air pistols and other air guns which are at par with famous brands like S&W, Colt and many mre....

I would rather buy an indigenous air revolver or a multi shot PCP gun with all the bells and whistles attached to it.

I have no clue how such feedback can be sent, I am sure there is a market for all this stuff.

Thanks
Regards
Gaurav
gverma

Please do so, who knows? After all a droplet forms a river and so on. IHP a decade ago were very responsive and would send parts promptly by VPP. You just have to find the Ahmedabad number. Since the air rifles is a tiny segment of what they do their work is sporadic. They already have a fabulous consultant called Dr. Shirasat (apologies if I have the name wrong), he can actually design and make any kind of airgun and is probably the person behind the new pcp's etc. So go ahead make my day !

My question is how to do it. Can we get contact info for Dr. Shirasat. I dont think that the Ahemdabad factory will be too responsive on this I have talked to some people there (not on any suggessions) but they are good forks and I respect them all for there good work but for this we need to talk to an inovative person who can call the shots and is passionate about this.

So simple quesion how to get in contact with the Doc?

-- Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:03 am --

On second thought if someone knows Dr. Shirasat and can help me get in touch with him I will be glad to collect feedback from this forum on what kind of guns we are looking for and make a presentation with max prbability of market and other details....to him so that a sound business case can be made... if possible please help me and us all

Humbly requesting people who can help me contact the doc reply to this post.

lets understand what you are not finding good in terms of shooting with the current product and your expectation.

Gaurav,

Good, let do something in this direction. I contribut in this with the following information.

INDIAN HUME PIPE COMPANY LIMITED.
OPP. Ideal Sheet Metal.
Phase-1,
Vatva Ramol Road,
Ahmedabad-382445.
Gujarat.
Tel: 079-25830221
Mr. Makhija: 09898075543
Dr. Shrisat: 09969027741

Regards,

Jashwantsinh.

ok, let me take a shot at this. i will prepare a small document get it reviewed by memebers in the forum and send it out once we agree this is what we want to propse.

Give me some time to get back forthis

Hi,
some details from IHP website.
will this help you ?

For Rifle enquiries, please click here or mail to [email protected]
For investors grievances, email at [email protected]


Thanks

tirths wrote:lets understand what you are not finding good in terms of shooting with the current product and your expectation.

Hi Tirths,

Sent you a PM requesting some advice. Please check and respond.

BR// Atanu

Atanu wrote:

tirths wrote:lets understand what you are not finding good in terms of shooting with the current product and your expectation.

Hi Tirths,

Sent you a PM requesting some advice. Please check and respond.

BR// Atanu

Hi Guys,
> As starters most IHP users have the following to grumble about -
1. Instead of a welded tube for the power plant, IHP could replace it with a "SEAMLESS" well machined one.
2. The Seal from the existing leather could be replaced with a Synthetic Seal.
3. The trigger mechanism could be revamped, made more smoother by hardening the piston sear.
4. The rear sight could be improved for smoother functioning & adjustments.
5. The pistiol grip dia could be reduced suitably for a better grip.
6. Checkering in the fore-end & pistol grip could be added for better grip & providing aesthetic look to the stock.
7. A matte finish melamine coat could be put on the stock, than the current spirit varnish.
> Anything more you guys could think of, will be welcome.
> I think these suggestions could be forwarded to IHP (attn. Mr. Makhija & Dr. Shirsat) and hope for the best!!!
Cheers
Brihacharan

Hi
Here is my suggession, plese post emssages in this forum under following headings

1. Changes we want in existing products - example being trigger is too hard in .22 pistol ....

2. New products we would like to see -example being air pistol's like Walther with ability to load multiple pellets. If you have links to such guns you may post them

3. Other products you want (not guns but accessories) - Cleaning kits, Pumps....

4. Soft side - Things like having more retail shops, or insurence during sending the guns...

5. Other comments


Please keep posting in this forum, I will wait till ed of next week and then consolodate the document and send it out for a review to this group. Onceveryone agrees (as this document is not from Gaurav Verma its from a member of IFG) I will send it out.

Please keep poring in with your comments.

Dear Gverma,
In1992/93, Dr Shirsat, myself and a third chap (Majid), came together to commercially produce a pneumatic air pistol. Dr. was in charge of technical development, Majid used his workshp and I was in charge of testing/shooting. The first pneumatic air pistol Dr. produced, was a simple design and astoundingly accurate and easy to use. I loved it!, thereafter, Dr. received a consultancy offer from IHP and we went our own ways, but we remain in contact.
From what I have heard, the IHP or National Rifle co. was founded by the grandfather of the present owner (I am not too sure but I think Mr. Vissanji) and he was instrumental in promoting the manufacture of the IHP rifle and pistol. Barrel making technology was not available so Mr. Vissanji (please correct me somebody if I am wrong regarding the gentleman's name) imported a barrel manufacturing machine from Hammerli! That is one of the reasons, why even today, almost two decades later, the accuracy of the IHP air rifles is superb.
All the recent developments from IHP - the pneumatic air pistols and rifles, followed by the recent compressed air pistols are the brainchild of Dr. as we all know. What the general public may not be aware of is the marathon and herculean effort put in by Dr. to get the mindset of the IHP workers to change and produce products to the HIGH quality and PRECISION standards of the world. Addressing the 'defects' may definitely be Dr.'s priority, but it MAY NOT be shared by the management and workers on the shop floor. (I apologise if I am wrong). So this factor is the single most factor which contributes or does not contribute to the standards of the IHP products.
You are all welcome to send him your comments, I know, that almost all those listed above are already noted by the good Dr. (the perfectionist that he is). But I am sure that your response would make him feel very good.
Regards

Agreed.
We should ensure we mentain respect and humility in our suggessions.

The messgae that I guess should be for management is that if they build guns at par with international standards we as people will buy them in India and it is profit.

The only question is that is the effort of making new guns worth the effort profit?

The final call would be his. Your suggession has been valuable. Further as you know the good doctor, I would suggest once the document has been cretaed and its pace + tone has been created it should be forwarded by you.

Aye, aye..mate!

hvj1, gverma

I have been shooting IHP rifles since the last 20-25 years, from spring operated ones, Hammerli Cadets to the pneumatic ones. Being located close to Ahmedabad, I would land up at the factory to have my rifles repaired or even sighted in properly. (They even have a worker whos sole aim is to do just that, at their indoor 10m range!). One observation that I still can't get over is the fact that I have yet to see a single new machine added to their line since these many years. Should you visit the factory the impression that you get is that the machines look to be from the British era. Secondly, most of their manufacturing, apart from the barrels, seems to be outsourced; thereby leading to disparity of quality in parts within a singular rifle. Moreover, their workers and staff, despite being friendly, warm and courteous do not have a shooting background and are therefore unable to identify themselves with the pecularities of the sport or the usage of such rifles.

As concerns the new line of PHP pistols and rifles, Dr. Shrisants involvement with the company has breathed new life into their line of products. I would say that actually, he has single handedly saved the company from fading into the sunset, so to speak. Sadly, competitive air weapons made by IHP constitute a minor part of their production. In fact, they have a 10'x10' room where the weapons are assembled by a couple of workers. Again, most of the stuff seems to be manufactured elsewhere and assembled by them. Despite all this, we ought to consider the fact that IHP has done yeoman service to the likes of us shooters to provide us with air rifles at a cost that is affordable as compared to western/ imported air rifles.

As far as the suggestion of improvement of quality is concerned, my fervent hope is that the management understand the concept of both field and competitive weaponry. Both are polariraly different from each other, and just as they involved Dr. Shrisant, they ought to involve shooters who are knowledgeable in their respective fields. I don't think this ought to be a problem as the owners/ management are a prominent industrialist family closely linked to engineering. Should this 'will' come about from their side, it would then be an issue of investing in new lines of production.

As is said, anything is possible. But then, again, this is India. I'm sure there will be massive red tape to wade through before IHP can even think of revamping their production lines. On my part, I can only hope that IHP continues with whatever they manufacture, now that my son is coming of shooting age! Altough, should they improve quality, introduce new weaponry in the market and popularise their products, I would be more than willing to return to a second childhood!

Regards,
Katana