Indians For Guns

Hii folks,

As you know imported air rifle prices are quite high in India....................for eg a Diana rifle selling for 40,000 or maybe 50,000...................but for the same money one can get a BSA or Remington .22lr Rifle..............and on top of that getting parts for Imported rifles is also not easy...........so if one is looking for a imported .22 rifle then why not go for a .22LR instead of an .22 airrifle.................yes pellets are cheap that one advantage..........please share your views.....

Tim

Timnorris wrote:Hii folks,

As you know imported air rifle prices are quite high in India....................for eg a Diana rifle selling for 40,000 or maybe 50,000...................but for the same money one can get a BSA or Remington .22lr Rifle..............and on top of that getting parts for Imported rifles is also not easy...........so if one is looking for a imported .22 rifle then why not go for a .22LR instead of an .22 airrifle.................yes pellets are cheap that one advantage..........please share your views.....

Tim

Tim
Your views will be in ok when the Arms licence authority is liberal for civillians and the cost of pellets and .22lr are not rational and also the Ballistic range & power of .22lr is very high when compared to airrifle .
Most of airrifle is used for 40 yards range and misguided pellets also travells for few hundred yards possibly. Morever the licence applying\renewal\endorsement/sale notice ,ammo quota, submission during election,area validity are completely eliminated in case of airrifle ..

cheers
sankar

The argument does hold good if you can get a license, a .22lr is way more fun, provided you are prepared to shell out 11 bucks per round of desi ammo and have a range to shoot. In fact a friend of ours totally skipped the air rifle route and picked up an IOF .22 lr cheaper than a Diana. So yes you aren't alone.

Regards,

Dev

I have iof .22 and diana 54 . I am a person who fires 10 to20 shot a day. Befor 54 came iof was used. Now i use 54 more regularly .
Cherian

I agree airrifles are cheap to shoot....................but what about the parts............. are the parts for DIANA or other imported rifles available ..............like the mainspring washer etc...............you got to change the spring.......Diana is no doubt a good rifle new Diana spring guns can shoot 1200 fps in .177 cal...............its the same as .22lr velocities.....

Timnorris wrote:I agree airrifles are cheap to shoot....................but what about the parts............. are the parts for DIANA or other imported rifles available ..............like the mainspring washer etc...............you got to change the spring.......Diana is no doubt a good rifle new Diana spring guns can shoot 1200 fps in .177 cal...............its the same as .22lr velocities.....

Tim
don't carried away by the advertised velocity made with ultra weight Pba pellets .

"Pellets " are designed to perform Best under subsonic velocity when it crosses 330m/s or above 1100 ft/sec it losses its accuracy what soeevr the airgun make be. Every spares of airrifle except barrel are available online and easy to import .

How about plinking sessions.. If you have .22 lr under permit, and get about 100 shots an year, what good will it do? .. and where can you safely practice? .... and how about sourcing the costly ammo itself?
Air Rifles are cheaper by the pellet, to practice, and can be practiced pretty safely and indoors too, without any legitimate limit of number of shots

Air-guns certainly have a couple of advantages in that one can usually (safely) set up an air-gun range at home and the pellets are cheaper than any firearm ammo available in India - both things add up to one being able to practice much more often than one would with a firearm. Not to mention the fact that one does not need an arms license for owning one!

That said, none of the (normally available) imported/ Indian air-guns will be EVER able to match up to the power levels of even regular standard velocity .22 LR ammo, so for many practical applications the .22 LR would win hands down.

I think both have a place in everyone's gun cabinet....

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Timnorris wrote:I agree airrifles are cheap to shoot....................but what about the parts............. are the parts for DIANA or other imported rifles available ..............like the mainspring washer etc...............you got to change the spring.......Diana is no doubt a good rifle new Diana spring guns can shoot 1200 fps in .177 cal...............its the same as .22lr velocities.....

Does'nt non availibility of parts applicable to imported .22LR rifles like remington, savage, BSA or winchester ? An air rifle is an air rifle and you cannot compare its MV with a firearms like .22LR.

In USA for the same reason Air rifle is not very populer. I hardly see any gun shop here having collection of air rifles of renowned make. (Practically they have no air rifle at all).Most state do not need special permit for long guns, and Standard .22LR rifle is cheaper than a good air rifle here (I have seen selling .22 Crickett for Kids as low as $59 in Maryland Gun Show)

also 100 rds of .22 LR ammo is much cheaper than a tin of Meisterlukgen or H&N Finale. I really had a hard time convincing one of my friend when I estimated for a price of FWB 601

if we have a same situation like in india (which probably never will be ). You could have seen a different picture.

Regards
Saptarshi

Tim

I would go for IOF .22 and jump through the hoops for the license. It serves dual purposes safety and good gun for plincking. Try for local state gun association which might provide reasonable access to ammo. In the case you have a chance to travel abroad then you can pick up a Diana or any other air gun or use Indian made air gun for plincking.

best

saptarshi...............I dont think you need to change parts of .22lr bolt action (which is the most common in India) very often........................these are very rugged............and in India where there is not much choice regarding guns as in the US.............. many would prefer a weapon which will serve as a pest control, self defence and target practise...........

No licencing hassels, easy availability of ammo, indoor shooting range... The air rifle is king!

Its like comparing a pussy cat and a tiger only thing common is they are cats... .22s in this case.

A .22 Air rifle goes to a max of about 60 ft lbs (when customised) and uses 22 grain pellets. In comparison a .22LR uses anywhere between 30 and 45 grain and outputs around 120 ft lbs+!

There is not much challenge in shooting a .22 LR rifle because shot on shot at even 125 yards is a breeze. Shot on shot with an airgun at anything more than 50+ yards is a shooter's dream . The wind, the humidity, air pressure all affect an airgun. Shooting an airgun is like playing a test match, requires patience, lots of minor details to keep in mind and requires real skill & application!

Hope this helps.

aandu wrote:Its like comparing a pussy cat and a tiger only thing common is they are cats... .22s in this case.

A .22 Air rifle goes to a max of about 60 ft lbs (when customised) and uses 22 grain pellets. In comparison a .22LR uses anywhere between 30 and 45 grain and outputs around 120 ft lbs+!

There is not much challenge in shooting a .22 LR rifle because shot on shot at even 125 yards is a breeze. Shot on shot with an airgun at anything more than 50+ yards is a shooter's dream . The wind, the humidity, air pressure all affect an airgun. Shooting an airgun is like playing a test match, requires patience, lots of minor details to keep in mind and requires real skill & application!

Hope this helps.

You are shooting crows in a enclosed factory with tin/tiles roof. factory owner will bust your a$$ if he see any hole in roof. Which one are you going to use? Air gun or .22LR ?

-Inder

kanwar76 wrote:

aandu wrote:Its like comparing a pussy cat and a tiger only thing common is they are cats... .22s in this case.

A .22 Air rifle goes to a max of about 60 ft lbs (when customised) and uses 22 grain pellets. In comparison a .22LR uses anywhere between 30 and 45 grain and outputs around 120 ft lbs+!

There is not much challenge in shooting a .22 LR rifle because shot on shot at even 125 yards is a breeze. Shot on shot with an airgun at anything more than 50+ yards is a shooter's dream . The wind, the humidity, air pressure all affect an airgun. Shooting an airgun is like playing a test match, requires patience, lots of minor details to keep in mind and requires real skill & application!

Hope this helps.

You are shooting crows in a enclosed factory with tin/tiles roof. factory owner will bust your a$$ if he see any hole in roof. Which one are you going to use? Air gun or .22LR ?

-Inder

Hi Inder,

Not really arguing but we saw a TX 200 standard 12 fpe put holes in the tin shingles of a factory. Problem is that some of the adult air rifles can make the same kinda holes a .22LR does, specially the ones that shoot at 900 fps. I also would like to say that everyone should have one .22 LR just for the fun factor.

Regards,

Dev