Indians For Guns

Hey Evuryone,
I have finally started with my college at Lancaster University UK. I have a lot of free time on my hands here and plan to buy an airrifle, but I'm confused with so many restrictions and need help. Could you trigger happy people please give me some suggestions as which one to buy. I'm looking for a .22 cal rifle that I can bring back to India in Aug. I have my rifle association membership etc....I'm looking for something really powerfull as long as it is in the legal limit here(damn)...n I would prefer buying something that I could use here n then power it up once it reaches India by probably changing the main spring etc...
Regards,
R.Dhillon.

Been there done that , be careful the UK has very stringent gun ownership laws, be it an airgun or otherwise.
I was stopped for not carrying an airgun in a case in london.

NON FAC air guns in Uk are reduced power to comply 12 FP limit, so your best bid would be springer like Diana 54, which can easily be tuned once you are back in here, also they command much better price than you buy it for.

On the other hand if you want to get some really nasty and pricey British stuff, there is one made in the UK itself , its PCP and surprisingly its not "That" underpowered.
Try to find Daystate MK4 S, its something like 30 FP, and Air ranger 50-80 FP (if you can).

Below is my fav in review.
http://www.daystate.co.uk/images/review ... w-AGW1.pdf

you can get non FAC airguns in UK from http://www.airgunbuyer.com in person, no delivery in the main land UK by post as required by law, they are called black pool.

Please read below Laws applicable in the UK (few)

It is an offence for any person, regardless of age, to be in possession of an air weapon in a public place without a reasonable excuse. A reasonable excuse might be carrying a gun to and from a target shooting club or to and from land on which you have permission to shoot. It would also include taking a gun to and from a gunsmith for repair or service or taking a new gun home from the dealer.

• It is an offence to trespass with an air weapon, be that in a building or on land.

• It is an offence to have an air weapon if you are a person prohibited from possessing a

firearm by section 21 of the 1968 Act. This section prohibits anyone who has been

sentenced to a custodial sentence of between three months and three years from

possessing an air weapon or other firearm for five years from the date of release.

Anyone sentenced to three years or more is prohibited for life.

• It is an offence to fire your gun within fifty feet (fifteen metres) of the centre of a public

road in such a way as to endanger or impede any road user.

• It is an offence to shoot protected wild birds or animals. When live quarry shooting,

it is your responsibility to make sure that you only shoot legal quarry.

• It is an offence to shoot pet animals. Besides being abhorrent to most people, this is, above all others, the offence that gives all air weapon shooters a bad name.

• It is an offence to have an air weapon with intent to damage property.

• It is an offence to have an air weapon with intent to endanger life.

Regards

Rdhillon

ping Vikram he is in Coventry and other UK members can advise you.

Best of luck.

try locating a shop in your area, as by now you are aware airguns can not be posted by shop keepers. since you are going to be there take your time. locate a good shop and if you going that way pop in buy one.

failing that upon arrival pop in to WH SMITH shop and pick up a copy of gun mart. around 3.50 pounds. they have listing of all, well most, shops across UK, so one is bound to be listed in your area.

happy shopping

Hey,
Yup its freezing out here. I was also thinking of buying a PCP in .22 but I wont have any problems getting it to India on my rifle association membership right? Will check the models you all told me n will keep you posted. Does anyone know a good store near Lancaster, Manchester, Blackpool, Preston etc. I'm in Lancashire county.
Regards,
R.Dhillon.

eternalme wrote:

Been there done that , be careful the UK has very stringent gun ownership laws, be it an airgun or otherwise.
I was stopped for not carrying an airgun in a case in london.

you were lucky you were just stopped. carrying a gun, any, for that matter, over land not your own is construed as armed tresspass in perfidious albion.

rdhillon, let me extend a warm welcome from the uk branch of IFG. if you want a good air rifle, that will be fun to shoot, a tack driver in accuracy, simple to service and long lasting, then you have made a right choice of country to choose it from. if however you are power hungry, irrespective of the accuracy and comfort of your shooting iron, hmmm, you'll probably find something. though not that easily.

do bear in mind that pcps are more expensive and you have less options to customise. also, for some reason i've found the range of pcps available in the u.k. less than other places.however, they have their obvious advantages. do remember that choosing your calibre also helps narrow your choice. some models are better in .22, others in their .177 guise

also, it would be a good idea to join that sterling forum, airgunbbs. registering there will enable you to browse their sales section, which to me, is the best place to buy airguns in u.k. because:

1. personal second hand sales of non FAC air is exempted from the postal restrictions. so you can post and recieve airguns by mail from members.
2. the offers/deals that sometimes turn up are amazing. i still can't believe how much my last airgun cost me.
3. most airguns would have been broken in already. some are customised/tuned before sale.
4. if you shortlist and post your queries on the general forums there, you'll actually get good responses that will help you choose better

the caveats
1. yes , you might not get a factory fresh piece. but we all know how raspy shooting a factory fresh airgun is.
2. there is the odd black sheep. everywhere. hence shop carefully.

Lloyds in BAR, who is a member here BTW, also stocks both new, and second hand deals. Clean and helpful chap to deal with, if you want to drive to blackpool

of course, feel free to get in touch with us lot if you need a hand.

p.s. if you do a shortlisitng and

Try Blackpool Air Rifles or Manchester Airguns.

Amongst various laws, one states that the pellet you fire should not cross the boundary of your property.

I met Dr. Q, an IFG member who is based in UK. He could advise you on airguns as well.

Shamsher- the one introduced by BSA recently is R10 (S10 is discontinued). R10 is still under development and not available. Dealers in UK are annoyed, I can tell you that.

As Hamiclar01 suggests, second hand guns, inspected by a known dealer, are good options.

I'm not sure, but it seems unlikely that UK pcps are so easy to 'power up' afterwards. Otherwise, I imagine the vast majority of pcp users in the UK would be routinely 'powering up' their 12ft/pd rifles. And they're not. Read the UK airgun forums; everyone is talking about abiding by the ft/pd rule. The only FAC users clearly identify themselves and usually write on FAC specific forums.

My point is, beware of getting a UK rifle in the hope of tuning it up later. My guess is there are elements in the 12ft/pd guns that will not tolerate much higher pressures etc...as I say, I don't know this, but it seems likely. The UK authorities aren't THAT stupid.

I guess with a springer it's ok. Get a Diana 350 magnum:)

Cheers,

sol

My sentiments exactly Mr.Sol...I dont wanna end up experimenting with the gun sitting in my garage back in India tryin to power it up...I'll stick to the springers if I dont have another option.
Regards,
R.Dhillon.

Thats why I said springers only !!

sol wrote:I'm not sure, but it seems unlikely that UK pcps are so easy to 'power up' afterwards. Otherwise, I imagine the vast majority of pcp users in the UK would be routinely 'powering up' their 12ft/pd rifles.

i would beg to differ. people limit themselves to sub FAC power not because of the "untunability" of PCPS in the U.K., but because doing so would mean applying for a FAC certificate, with it's attending hassles of showing need, bolting gun cabinets, displaying shooting permissions.

nobody would like to home tune an airgun to fac levels, since getting caught with one can land you a term behind bars.

rdhillon, if you really want an FAC PCP, then the best people to advise you would be registered british airgunsmiths who do this routinely. Ben Taylor is a name that springs to mind. he does sterling work converting HW100s and FXs. shop around for options where you can assemble the parts in india.

sol wrote: I guess with a springer it's ok. Get a Diana 350 magnum:)
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with friends like these......for a chap in the land of steve pope and harry preston, you suggest a diana 350 . buying a broomstick would be cheaper

Hamclar,

you are toooooo cold and bold

Cheers dude!

I don't doubt the craftsmanship and expertise of UK gunsmiths; it's just that, being law abiding guys, they will not tune a gun into an FAC weapon until you show them your FAC. The other option, shopping around in India...well, that could take forever and still not work, no?

IMO if you want an FAC PCP then focus on the US or Dubai. The UK is pretty much a police state at this point. They aren't leaving many loopholes.

What's so bad about the 350? Is it not a well made rifle? Of course, it's not a Theoben, but we're living in the real world here, aren't we?

Cheers!

Sol

Sol,

Dhillon is in Uk, and trying to work out the best option possible. And the possibilities with PCPs are many- enough to not consider Dianas/springer. It is in fact like living in Maranello and having the ability to buy an Ferrari, and still buying an old Amby!

Dhillon, look around, meet a few gunsmiths etc (follow the suggestions given in replied to your thread). The least I can tell you that a PCP at 12Ft Lbs is better than a springer for reasons detailed already in IFG posts. BSA Ultra Multishot costs less that some springers. See Falcon PCPs also.

Ai is right about the 12ft/pd pcp being a formidable rifle. If accuracy and convenience are what you need, I'm sure you'd enjoy a pcp.