Indians For Guns

Hi,

Sir,I am new here and also in the field of shooting.I want to buy a new air Gun for target practicing.I have seen two airpistol at huligun.com but I am confused which one should buy.These two are Hawk & He Man Air gun.Which handle should I choose Iron or Wood.If there is any other online site to buy then also suggest.I had not found any .177 Cal air pistol all are .22 Cal should I buy .22 Cal or not due to any legal issue.

Thank You

Dear livtar,
These air pistols will be waste of your money. If you have even little interest towards target shooting then my sincere advice is to go for Air rifle and not the pistol.

Love
Milind

These pistols are absolutely hopeless. Even if you are interested in pistol get the precihole air pistol. Quality guns are really worth the investment.

A very pertinent query by livtar_1994.

I visited several websites to purchase online an air rifle of .22 bore calibre. All searches displayed air rifles of .177 bore. Has the industry stopped manufacturing air rifles and air pistols using .22 pellets?

I had in my use a Model 45 .22 bore IHP make made in India air rifle and a smooth bore .22 calibre barrel aperture loading air gun with an under-barrel cylindrical metal ram for pulling back the air piston and clasping back afterwards under the barrel that gave the air gun a double barrel (vertical barrels) look. That air gun was manufactured at Baroda by a firm named New Light Armoury Co. I lost both these pieces 10 years back while relocating from Delhi to Kolkata.

Can somebody tell me if these airguns for are still available for sale?

Thanks.

CA. Shyamal K Mitra
Rajarhat, Kolkata

Dear Mitra ,
you may search at BBD Bag and Esplanade area.

Basu

Thanks milind,sam 47,CA_S_Mitra and Basu Sir
for your advice,
I had already ordered He Man Mark-2 Air Pistol from Flipkart after your advice I am going to
cancel the order and will buy Precinhole Phoenix
Air Pistol.Sir there is an another question arising in my mind is it necessary to debut with air rifle even if I want to become perfect shooter in Air Pistol as per 'milind' sir suggestion.





Thanks
milind,sam 47,CA_S_Mitra and Basu Sir.

No it is not mandatory, and in competition shooting they are very different ball game, including different stance , hold and body position. If it is competition shooting you are interested in, I have 1 or 2 articles sourced from net on that and shall post it here.

Thanks sam 47

Sir thanks for your advice and clearing my confusion.Please post article related to Air Pistol Shooting.Can you please tell me what is the height of target from surface of earth in case of air pistol.

Thank You

Alright the height of the target is 1.4 m from the floor. you may read every detail about the equipment and parameters about 10m air pistol on wikipedia.
this is the very basic level and most important article on shooting a pistol for groups. after you shoot a little more , and get familiarized with everything , we can talk about getting into higher levels and for which i am not the right person at all, but have a few articles for that as well.



This is the continuing fictional saga and guest report of a man teaching a woman to shoot. Today I will be taking over. I’m going to show you how to hold a 1911 pistol one-handed for the best accuracy. This was requested by reader levans, but several of you own 1911s, so this should be of interest to many.

This report covers:

Learned from a champion
Distinguished Pistol Shot badge
Elmer Keith knew something
It’s all in the hold and the trigger action
The thumb controls the recoil
Lock the elbow
Cantilever the shooting arm
Other pistols?
Learned from a champion
Readers who have been with us for years know this story, but for the benefit of the newer readers, here is how I learned this technique. I was running a pistol range for my cavalry squadron in the Army and the squadron commander, LTC Bonsall, arrived on range in his jeep. I had never seen a lieutenant colonel at a small arms range before. I’m sure they went, just never when I was running the range. The colonel introduced himself, because I hadn’t met him yet — he was that new. Then, he asked to qualify. Well, sure, he could qualify. It was his range, after all!

I directed him to a table upon which we had about 50 pistols waiting for the next shooters. You’re supposed to qualify with your own weapon, but I had several hundred men to cycle through and to keep the range moving we had 50 pistols that the entire squadron used. That way there weren’t a lot of malfunctions. After weeding out the bad magazines in the first few relays, we had the range running smoothly. It was also much easier to clean only 50 pistols instead of 400.

Colonel Bonsall selected a weapon and took his place on the line with another 24 shooters. The shooting commenced and that’s when I lost track of him until my chief NCO came up and discretely asked me if I had noticed the colonel’s target. We were shooting at man-sized silhouettes at 25 yards. Each man got a fresh target when his relay began and the course of fire was 50 shots at the silhouette.

We called it qualification but it was really more like annual refresher training. Most of the silhouettes looked as though they had been peppered by a shotgun firing huge balls. But the colonel’s target had a small hole right where the heart should be. He had fired about 30 rounds through a one-inch hole when I caught up with him, and the rest of his shots didn’t stray far from it.

Distinguished Pistol Shot badge
The upshot of that day at the range was that our new commander wore the Army Distinguished Pistol Shot badge, a qualification badge so rare that not only had I never seen one, I had never even heard of it! And I was a gun buff serving in the Army! As of 2008, there were 1,709 Distinguished Pistol Shot badges awarded to Army personnel since its inception in 1903, making the badge rarer than the Army Medal of Honor that has been awarded over 2,000 times, though admittedly over a 40+ year longer span of time.

Army Distinguished Pistol Shot badge
This Army Distinguished Pistol Shot Badge is so rare that I hadn’t heard of it before meeting LTC Bonsall.

After we cleared the colonel off the range, I examined the pistol the he’d used for his demonstration. It was a typical loose-as-a-goose arms room M1911A1 with green phosphate finish and brown plastic grips. It had probably been made around or just before World War II, and the only special care we gave it was to bring it to the range in the bed of a 2-1/2-ton truck inside a wooden footlocker with 49 others just like it. When it wasn’t being shot, it laid on a table in the hot sun while dust blew over it and through it all day long. By the time the colonel got his hands on it, it had probably already been fired several hundred times without cleaning or lubrication. The parts inside were just good enough to avoid condemnation during a major inspection.

Elmer Keith knew something
That was the day when Elmer Keith’s last printed lie turned out to be true — you really CAN hit a man at 100 yards with a 1911 pistol. Repeatedly! But you have to know what you’re doing. Anyway, the colonel got my attention. Being a kindred gun buff, he taught me how to shoot the pistol. Now, I’ll tell you what I learned from him.

It’s all in the hold and the trigger action
How you hold the 1911 or the 1911A1 determines how tight it will shoot. Yes, the gun can be gunsmithed to shoot even tighter, but even a tired old clunker will surprise you if it’s held right.

Always grip the pistol the same way every time you hold it. Hold the palm of your shooting hand flat with the thumb extended and place the pistol into the web of your hand. The three fingers that aren’t the trigger finger should be wrapped around the grips, and the thumb comes in on the other side of the grip.

Now — and this is the key — squeeze the pistol straight back into the web of your hand with the middle finger, which is the longest of the three fingers wrapped around the grip, and also highest on the grip. The other two fingers apply absolutely no pressure to the gun. They’re just along for the ride. The thumb also puts no pressure on the gun, although I will tell you something else about it in a moment. Only that middle finger is squeezing straight back. Let me show you what that looks like with an illustration I drew for the Beeman P1 pistol that has the same grip as a 1911.

Beeman P1 pistol correct hold
This graphic is copied directly from the January 1996 edition of “The Airgun Letter.” It illustrates the correct hold.

The thumb controls the recoil
That thumb can ride against the grip, but if you rest it atop the manual safety switch, it will cut the muzzle flip from recoil by half. Some worry that their thumbs will be hurt by the moving slide, but I have never seen that happen. When the pistol comes back in recoil, the thumb doesn’t allow it to rise as much as it wants to. This is a trick I learned from reading the late Jeff Cooper.

This is possible with a stock Colt pistol, but most 1911s you encounter today have special wider safeties that are made for this. Some are even ambidextrous, for lefties.

Lock the elbow
The final trick to Colonel Bonsall’s technique is locking the elbow. When you raise the pistol to take a shot — and you should only shoot one time before lowering the pistol to rest the arm — rotate the arm in the direction of the shooting hand. If you are right-handed, roll the pistol to the right. That moves the elbow under the arm and locks it in place. After the elbow is locked, slowly lower the pistol until the sights are aligned, then take the shot in 5 seconds or less.

Cantilever the shooting arm
Also, lean slightly back, bringing the shoulder above the leg. That turns your shoulder into a cantilever support, taking a lot of the pistol’s weight off your arm muscles and making your hold steadier.



Other pistols?
Can this technique be used for other pistols, as well? Certainly. This year at the SHOT Show Media Day I shot a tiny group on a Shoot-N-C target at 20 yards that others were just blasting at with their two-handed holds. The guy from Smith & Wesson said I must be a target shooter when he saw what I did. I sure am!

here is the you tube video.

Thank sam 47 Sir

Thank you very much sir for giving your costly time for this.I had read on wikipedia about height of target from surface.The confusion is that the distance from floor 1.4m is from the central point of target or from the outer line of target.


Thank You