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Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:51 pm
by brihacharan
ORION Vs SAMURAI 3G (0.22cal)

Having acquired PRECIHOLE’S ‘ORION’ 22 cal AR, I was strongly tempted to compare its performance with my old trusted SAMURAI 3G - my Super Tuned IHP 35 (Ref. earlier post)

There were glitches initially with my ORION such as: :(
•The lynch pin in the Rear Sight worked loose & dropped after 10 to 15 shots
•The Trigger was jerky & the 2nd stage did not function smoothly
•The Butt Pad used to come off unexpectedly every few shots.
•However after taking care of these hiccups, I haven’t faced any problems worth the mention till date – BTW I acquired my ORION in September 2012.

•ORION with its synthetic stock is approx. 1.5lbs lighter than SAMURAI 3G with its wooden stock, but once you get used to its hold & trigger function - it shoots smooth & accurate all the way.

•The cocking of the ORION is smooth - approx: 33lbs / Samurai is also approx. 33lbs

•The auto safety goes on when cocked in the Orion, which is a nice add-on that’s reassuring.

•In the 2stage trigger pull the 2nd stage is around 2 lbs which is quite light & crisp for sports shooting – while in Samurai it’s around 3 lbs.

•Adding a MUZZLE BRAKE has reduced the cocking effort in both the ARs, improved the barrel harmonics and renders a nice balance during the hold.

* Velocity checked with 'hand held chrono' was:
> Orion - 650fps
> Samurai - 620fps

•The tests were done with open sights, at a range of 30ft using 14gr Master Shot (Export) Wad Cutters & RWS 0.22cal HP pellets.

•Hold throughout was hand held & knee rested.

•Since the ORION comes with an injection molded synthetic stock – the butt & fore-end are hollow which resonate a kind of “Drum Beat‘’ sound when fired - unlike the wooden stock of the Samurai which absorbs the sound.

•Filling these spaces with wads of 3/8” thick heavy duty foam cut to size, helped to mute the resonating sound considerably.

•I’ve subsequently mounted a 2-7 x 32 Center Point AR rated Variable Scope using a UTG single piece mount on the ORION. The Mil-Dot reticules + facility to illuminate the reticules in this scope are an advantage while shooting in poor light conditions.

•The SAMURAI is fitted with a 4 x 32 AR rated scope on UTG single piece mount.

•Both the scopes have adjustable objectives which help in getting a clear vision of the target.

•I have put through over 1500 shots till date with the ORION & over 5000 shots with the SAMURAI and the scopes have held on as also the zeroing.

•It’s truly a satisfying experience when the ARs complement each other nicely – goes to show that proper maintenance & tuning goes a long way to ensure accuracy and smoothness while target shooting or plinking.

•Finally I’ll let the images of the tests speak for themselves as far as the performances & accuracy of Orion & Samurai are concerned :D
Briha

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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:24 pm
by essdee1972
Wild Bill Hickock would have been proud sir!!

Also, please post some pics of shots at longer ranges with scopes.

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:30 pm
by brihacharan
essdee1972 wrote: Wild Bill Hickock would have been proud sir!!
Also, please post some pics of shots at longer ranges with scopes.
> Thanks Essdee :D
> In fact I've been wanting to test the TOYS at longer distances of 50, 75 & 100yds - but living in a city like Mumbai such open spaces are hard to come by & even if they exist, builders are busy putting up 'Highrises' :roll:
> The only consolation was during our "JAPA Meet" when I could hit targets at 60yds :D
> BTW you too had this experience if you recollect :D
Briha

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:06 pm
by mercury
that translates into pretty good fpe for both guns......and great shooting Briha.

looks (miles ahead) and performance.......samurai any day.

happy shooting.........

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:46 pm
by brihacharan
mercury wrote: That translates into pretty good fpe for both guns......and great shooting Briha.
looks (miles ahead) and performance.......samurai any day.
happy shooting.........


> Thanks mercury :D
> Lot of elbow grease has been spent over many months on the Samurai :)
> If you notice the groupings I was a bit surprised that Master Shot(export quality) which fellow IFGian AK49 was kind enough to bring for me from Meerut (MS's factory is located there) has performed well in comparison with RWS :D
> Frankly Air Guns have always been an "Enigma" with each AR performing differently at different times while all inputs remaining the same. Probably that's what makes Air Guns a challenge to any Air Arm lover / shooter. :)
Briha

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:32 pm
by airgun_novice
Wonderful treat, Brihji ! :clap:

Now we await the Terminator. I had the luck and the honor of firing a few from the Samurai, but the Terminator still eludes.
When then ? :-)

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:16 pm
by TC
What an excellent report Brihaji. Envy your energy and love for ARs :D

The groups make me biased towards the Samurai (.. it would have been so anyway since you fine tuned it :wink: )
because it proves your point : More FPS eats into accuracy

Would love to have your observation on their performance at longer ranges with the scopes.

What is the Terminator AGN is talking about ?

Regards

TC

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:50 pm
by airgun_novice
Oops - did I letty the catty outta the baggy ? ;-)

But seriously - Brihji, we neither had a darshan of the Terminator nor its Action Report. You might have to write a separate article on it covering the special made-to-order muzzle break, powder coating, specially made just for you two-stage trigger the discussions with the gunsmith on swept volume - portions of which you shared with us - and had us all swept away. :-) And of course the story byte on the Indianised but imported-from-Hawaii wood log that was turned into the stock etc. etc.

Yessssss !!! Let the (Brih=) "Mega" Terminator Be Back - Move over Arnie ! :cheers:

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:54 pm
by brihacharan
TC wrote: What an excellent report Brihaji. Envy your energy and love for ARs :D
The groups make me biased towards the Samurai (.. it would have been so anyway since you fine tuned it :wink: )
because it proves your point : More FPS eats into accuracy
Would love to have your observation on their performance at longer ranges with the scopes.
What is the Terminator AGN is talking about ?
Regards
TC
TC
> Many thanks for your unbiased critique :D
> Re: Tests at longer ranges is a bit daunting as open spaces in Mumbai is hard to come by :roll:
> However if AGN invites me to his farm house - Chances are that it could happen any day :D
> Its something I've been wanting to do for a long time!
Cheers
Briha

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:23 pm
by supershaji
Janaab Birha ji,

A concise and motivating comparison, thank you Sir!

One question does cross this newcomer, do excuse me if it has been asked to you before but, is there a (technical) reason why you choose the .22 versions over the .177s?

Best regards and once again, thank you for sharing the info with such elaboration.

- Shaji

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:32 pm
by airgun_novice
brihacharan wrote:[SNIP]
> However if AGN invites me to his farm house - Chances are that it could happen any day :D
> Its something I've been wanting to do for a long time!
Cheers
Briha
It's up to you to name the date and time and I shall present myself at your 'charan', O Brihcharan ! IFG awaits your Wisdom. :-)

BTW, I hope you shall start writing disclaimers at the start of every such article - we would not want youngsters mess up their pieces trying to match charan with Brihcharan... ROTFL

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:03 am
by brihacharan
supershaji wrote: Janaab Birha ji,
A concise and motivating comparison, thank you Sir!
One question does cross this newcomer, do excuse me if it has been asked to you before but, is there a (technical) reason why you choose the .22 versions over the .177s?
Best regards and once again, thank you for sharing the info with such elaboration.
- Shaji
Hi Shaji,
> Tks for your appreciation :D
> Re: My preference for 0.22 cal over 0.177 is purely personal - My concern was with energy delivered at the point of impact, which favors 0.22 instead of 0.177
> Basically I am a sports shooter not quite a competition shooter whose preference is 0.177 :D
Cheers
Briha

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:13 am
by brihacharan
airgun_novice wrote:
brihacharan wrote:[SNIP]
> However if AGN invites me to his farm house - Chances are that it could happen any day :D
> Its something I've been wanting to do for a long time!
Cheers
Briha
It's up to you to name the date and time and I shall present myself at your 'charan', O Brihcharan ! IFG awaits your Wisdom. :-)

BTW, I hope you shall start writing disclaimers at the start of every such article - we would not want youngsters mess up their pieces trying to match charan with Brihcharan... ROTFL
Hi AGN,
> Point Noted :D
> After this I am reinforcing my daily prayers with:
Oh Lord bless me with....
* Strength to accept things I cannot change
* Courage to change things I can
* Lastly WISDOM to know the difference :D
Cheers
Briha

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:39 am
by supershaji
brihacharan wrote:
> After this I am reinforcing my daily prayers with:
Oh Lord bless me with....
* Strength to accept things I cannot change
* Courage to change things I can
* Lastly WISDOM to know the difference :D
Cheers
Briha
Aameen to that dua!

Thank you for your clarification to my query :)

I must say, your spirit is truly humbling Janaab.

I intend to read all your threads in due time.

- Shaji

Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:07 am
by dev
Dear Briha Sir,

Your IHP is more handsome and seems to perform even better. I'm sure there will be a bunch of guys ready to pick up a similarly tuned one.

Regards,

Dev