both definately are Indian make. the first one in size and shape resembles a National 25 model. its .22 calibre. strangely though the number of the model under the emblem is MOD-27 !! thats not a 3 between MOD and the number only a - and the shadow that looks like the number 3 over it, the 27 can be seen after that theres the bird emblem and the letter E ( only legible alphablet) above , to the right.
the other in size and shape looks like a National 35...but the emblem looks more like an aimco logo. it is a.22. thats MODEL-85. whats in between is unclear. on the lower part of the breach block is the number 49.
help will be appreciated...
will try and put out some better pictures when i next visit his place .
thanks