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IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:34 am
by brihacharan
What is Trigger Pressure / Trigger Pull?

While most air rifle enthusiasts banter about stock finishing, stock engraving, bluing the action, zeroing of the scope etc. it’s rare that any of them speak or even discuss ‘trigger pull’ and its relevance to experiencing smooth shooting & getting better groups.

Basically there are 2 types of ‘triggers:
1. Single stage
2. 2 stage

• The single stage trigger is one smooth & continuous action that ends in the release of the sear locking mechanism causing the gun to fire.
• The 2 stage trigger on the other hand has an initial stop and when followed through enters the second stage which releases the sears for the gun to fire. The advantage being the overall trigger pressure gets divided and can be adjusted to suit the shooter’s feel and convenience. Eg: If the total trigger pressure is 4lbs, then the first stage could be adjusted to 2.5lbs & the second to a lighter / crisper 1.5lbs.

The 2 stage trigger was primarily invented to suit serious match / competition shooters, which was later incorporated into the regular / sport shooting guns.

Trigger-pull
It is the measure of force exerted on the trigger to get the sear to release in a spring piston air rifle or in the case of PCPs to get the valve to open. Popular belief says the lightest trigger-pull possible is the best, but that's not always true.

The bottom line is control of the gun as the more you can determine exactly when a gun will fire, the better your chances of hitting the target. That's not all that's involved, of course, but controlling the moment of firing is very important. Less-experienced shooters are better off being surprised when the gun goes off. That way, they won't flinch involuntarily just before the sear is released. As a shooter gains experience with a certain gun, he will begin to notice when it's ready to fire, and this will turn into a positive knowledge of EXACTLY when the gun is about to fire. When you know this, your accuracy will improve considerably.

A trigger that's too light can be dangerous as the shooter’s fingers inadvertently seek the trigger, and they're used to some resistance before release. Hence a true "hair trigger" that lets go at 10 – 20 grams of resistance is beyond their experience. Some can't feel the trigger blade on their fingertip before the gun fires.

A heavy trigger pull ranging from 3.5lbs to 5lbs can work very well for most shooters. Compared to the triggers found in modern PCP air rifles, that's way too heavy. Yet, this trigger poses no problem for perfect accuracy, because the shooter knows exactly when it's going to release.

Some PCP triggers are light but they don't have a definite release point, so you are always guessing when the gun is going to fire. Others release the same, time after time. They're the ones you can usually shoot the best. In general, triggers need to be crisp and positive.

Trigger Creep
It’s the movement in the hard-to-pull stage of the trigger. This can be the first stage in a single-stage trigger or the second stage in a two-stage trigger. If the creep stage is predictable then the shooter gets a certain amount of familiarity as to the exact moment when the sear will release.

Top-grade target shooting guns always have two-stage triggers with zero creep in the second stage, while the other lower order target shooting guns usually have some creep. The preference entirely depends on the shooter for various reasons - some even get conditioned to a certain pressure with which they feel comfortable.

Amongst sports shooters / Plinkers the preference in trigger pull invariably ranges from 2.5lbs to 3.5lbs. Many even consider this pressure to be rather on the lighter side, but then it’s a matter of choice. Many owners of Indian made air rifles while getting their guns tuned also get their trigger & piston sears smoothened for making the trigger pull lighter.

Here’s a bit of warning to those who attempt this – too smooth a trigger can cause “auto firing” while cocking the gun – this is very dangerous that can result in serious injuries not only to the owner of the gun but also to any innocent bystander close by.

Please do not attempt this on your own unless you have ample knowledge & expertise to do so. Even many a local gunsmith may not be capable of doing this to perfection. The flip side is, once the damage is done the piston that has the sear at the end of it becomes useless and cannot be rectified, hence it may even have to be discarded.

How is trigger-pull measured?
Trigger-pull is measured either by a resistance gauge or by actual weights. While the former gives a proper indication of the weight required to release the sear, the latter could give a + / - 5% error, unless the weights used drop down to as less as 10 grams. It’s one reason why serious match / competition shooters use the resistance gauge.

In the final analysis ‘Trigger Pressure’ / ‘Trigger Pull’ does play an important part in the firing of a gun. The adjustable 2 stage provides the advantage of setting the right pressure both in the 1st & 2nd stages to suit every individual preference. It makes shooting an enjoyable experience and above all contributes to accurate shooting.
Briha

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:05 pm
by lakecity_shooter
its indeed Informative sir ........but finding a good gunsmith is still a issue from years !!!!


Well i dropped my plan to get a ihp25 and tune it as a entry rifle for 10 mtrs and waiting for the Air rifle about to launch in market.


how long we have to wait sir ?

I know the question is silly ...ignore if its too silly ..

Like i always enjoy reading your posts i exactly did the same this time !!! :D

Regards
Rahul masih.

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:23 pm
by Hammerhead
You don't need a gun smith to fix / adjust triggers . Most of the guns needs to have fine tune triggers by just honing with fine sandpaper or sand stone. If you can take the trigger apart which is pretty common for people who know guns and little bit tilt and shine a light at the angle on it. You see the machining marks and all sort of nooks and cracks, just hone them patiently. And it's not hard to find and order pressure up or down screws from the same manufacturers or after market guys .
how long we have to wait sir ?
It's not silly question but the answer is same , get off your arses and do it yourself - Haji

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:37 pm
by TwoRivers
[quote="brihacharan"]What is Trigger Pressure / Trigger Pull?


"The 2 stage trigger was primarily invented to suit serious match / competition shooters, which was later incorporated into the regular / sport shooting guns."

The two-stage trigger was a feature of German military arms beginning with the Mauser Model 1871. It allows deep sear engagement with a light let-off. As such, it was the standard trigger on most military rifles. Target shooters may find it useful, but it wasn't designed with them in mind, but for safety.

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:19 pm
by lakecity_shooter
Thank you for the guidance hammerhead .! i tried in past and failed to tune the trigger pull myself .

anyways i am ready for the air gun operation again. will post the results.
how long we have to wait sir ?
Actually this question was for the air rifle about to be launched in market soon.! :wink:

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:09 am
by brihacharan
TwoRivers wrote:
brihacharan wrote:What is Trigger Pressure / Trigger Pull?

The two-stage trigger was a feature of German military arms beginning with the Mauser Model 1871. It allows deep sear engagement with a light let-off. As such, it was the standard trigger on most military rifles. Target shooters may find it useful, but it wasn't designed with them in mind, but for safety.
Hi TwoRivers,
> Many thanks Pal - I stand enlightened :D
Briha

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:16 am
by brihacharan
lakecity_shooter wrote:
Thank you for the guidance hammerhead .! i tried in past and failed to tune the trigger pull myself .
anyways i am ready for the air gun operation again. will post the results.
quote]how long we have to wait sir ?
Actually this question was for the air rifle about to be launched in market soon.! :wink:[/quote]

> Attempting to smoothen the trigger presuure on one's own could be dangerous - As this may lead to "Auto Fire' when the gun is cocked. It needs expertise.
> In case you have read Aimco's / Joy Biswas's post - He has commented 'all praise' for the new AR about to be launched - He was shown the gun by the manufacturer a few days ago.
> PATIENCE - It'll be available in a month's time.... hold your horses :D
Briha

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:33 am
by essdee1972
> PATIENCE - It'll be available in a month's time.... hold your horses
Hosses are champin' at the reins.... 'most chawed 'em through!! And after the trigger pressure accident......
too smooth a trigger can cause “auto firing” while cocking the gun – this is very dangerous that can result in serious injuries not only to the owner of the gun but also to any innocent bystander close by.
....... I am leaving the old SDB strictly alone!! Even though the only things to be injured were the window frame and my finger............ :)

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:08 pm
by mercury
good article Briha....

just to add..

i also think there would be a corelation between the weight of the rifle and the trigger weight/pull, which. is then related to accuracy. if the average weight of air rifles is about 9lbs , a good trigger weight, as you rightly point out is around 3.5lbs. with a trigger weight of say 5lbs on a rifle weighing 9lbs ; the chances....i repeat chances....are the rifle could move because of the pressure on the trigger.

triggers are a very important component on air rifles ; and that your rifle is 2 stage adjustable is exciting news.

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:40 am
by airgun_novice
Fantastic initiative and article, Brihji! I still am a bit unclear on the exact difference in dynamics of 2-stage (like FWB P34) and the *play* in single stage (like IHP N25) and the eventual shot break. Am I mixing "stage" and "creep" here ?

Though hardly an expert from any shot, may I add 2 cents worth of thoughts on the topic of "trigger"?

There is oft and ignored point when one speaks of "trigger" - of course it's got to do more with the competition level guns - AR or AP. This is true for the fanciful guns we see at competitions than most common Made in India products. Many a competition shooter eventually come around and pay attention to it and that's the "adjustable trigger shoe". The trigger shoe is seated on the straight "rod" acting as the trigger and undergoes a slight rotational turn along the vertical for ease of the shooter's index finger phalanx. It can also move a bit to the front and to the back. Very helpful in avoiding/ reducing "jerk shots" and fine-tuning the trigger pressure.

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:02 pm
by brihacharan
Though hardly an expert from any shot, may I add 2 cents worth of thoughts on the topic of "trigger"?

There is oft and ignored point when one speaks of "trigger" - of course it's got to do more with the competition level guns - AR or AP. This is true for the fanciful guns we see at competitions than most common Made in India products. Many a competition shooter eventually come around and pay attention to it and that's the "adjustable trigger shoe". The trigger shoe is seated on the straight "rod" acting as the trigger and undergoes a slight rotational turn along the vertical for ease of the shooter's index finger phalanx. It can also move a bit to the front and to the back. Very helpful in avoiding/ reducing "jerk shots" and fine-tuning the trigger pressure.
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Hi AGN,
> A single stage will have a uniform resistance. A good one will break cleanly without any creep or over-travel. Very little trigger movement overall, unless it's a crappy trigger then it might have a lot of creep.

> A two stage trigger will have some take-up with a long light trigger pull until you get to the break point. Once there it gets heavier and breaks cleanly a lot like a good single stage trigger

> Two stage triggers, are better for target guns or any precision shooting. You get your sight picture and start pointing at what you're shooting, then pull until you feel the resistance of the second stage, then get everything finalized and follow through until you here the loud bang noise.

> With the two stage, it will give you ability to know when the trigger will break and that can make your shots more accurate than a run of the mill single stage. The only thing that matters is what works best for you.

> The difference between trigger slack and trigger creep is, Slack is rearward movement of the trigger before the sear is engaged, and creep is rearward movement after the slack is taken up and the sear is engaged.
> Hope I've confused you enough! :D
Briha

Re: IMPORTANCE OF TRIGGER PRESSURE

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:57 pm
by airgun_novice
Brihji, Thank you for the light - now up to me to use it to create the clarity within. :-)