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Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:00 pm
by brihacharan
Hi Guys,
Here's some 'GYAN' I wish to share - especially for those who are getting initiated into Airgunning as a sport.

www.air-rifle.net/inaccuracy/inaccuracy.html


Air Gunners frequently complain that "I can't hit the broad side of a barn." Invariably, the frustrated owner has "tried everything, but it still won't give a decent group no matter what!"

Unfortunately, the information supplied with most new Air-guns is fairly ordinary at best and won't offer much assistance, so here is a list of the frequent problem areas to look at before you give up in despair. Most of this information applies to conventional spring piston Air-guns.

LOOSE STOCK SCREWS
This is probably the most common cause of inaccuracy in Air-guns. Even a quarter turn loose can translate to 50mm difference at 25 meters. Most Air-guns have three blade or Phillips head screws securing the action to the stock - two in the forearm and one through the trigger guard. These must be firmly tight at all times with lock washers in place. Loose screws on the breech-block assembly will also affect accuracy on break-barrel models.

CAUTION!
Before you run to your tool box – Air-gun slotted screws, are different. They require special screwdrivers with parallel tapers unlike carpentry screws. Use a regular screwdriver and you risk damaging the screw head, the gun and yourself-sometimes irreparably! We offer the handy and compact Gunsmith Screwdriver Kit that covers most of the screws you will encounter on your Air-guns including Phillips heads. Don't over tighten! Any more tension than firm will probably compress the wood and destroy the stock, particularly in the forearm.

LOOSE SIGHTS
Open Sights - check that the front sight attachment screw is tight and the sight element held within is secure. Check the rear sight for play and tightness on the breech block.

SCOPE MOUNTS
Any old scope mount just won't do on an Air-gun, you must use a scope mount specifically designed for Air-gun use. These may have an integral scope stop pin that locates in special arrestor holes milled into the receivers of the best Springers. Spring piston Air-guns don't just recoil backwards, they snap forward too and coupled with the vibration of the mainspring will continually drive a less than proper mount off the scope grooves. Separate scope stops are also available for the same purpose. Scopes can also move through the scope rings but this problem is usually eliminated using the right scope mount.

USING A REGULAR FIREARM SCOPE
If you are serious about your Air gunning and want the best performance out of your Air-gun, you must use a scope specifically designed for Air-gun use. Today's magnum spring piston Air-guns will promptly break a less than proper Air-gun scope. As mentioned previously, Air-guns recoil backwards then snap forward; this is what destroys regular scopes.

Proper Air-gun scopes have their lenses and reticule braced at the front and the back whereas most regular firearm scopes are only braced at the rear. This double recoil peculiar to Air-guns, coupled with the vibration of the mainspring, will quickly destroy even the biggest brand names in scopes.

Secondly, Air-guns shoot at shorter distances than regular firearms, and finally most regular firearm scopes are parallax corrected to 50 yards or more.

Proper Air-gun scopes have an externally adjustable parallax ring on the objective or front end to focus clearly at all distances down to about 10 meters. This can also be used as a range finder to estimate distances to your target. Finally, Air-guns have a much more pronounced trajectory than firearms and proper Air-gun scopes have an elevation bias so there is more up than down adjustment, eliminating the need to shim the scope mount and possibly crush or bend the scope tube.

INCORRECT BARREL TENSION
Barrel cocking Air-guns must have the pivot tension set carefully. Too much and the barrel detent will not consistently lock up and there will be galling of the breech block. Too little and there will be blow by at the breech. Both situations will cause wild and erratic groups. The correct tension is the point where the barrel will just stay anywhere on the return arc after cocking. Better barrel cocking Air-guns have adjustable pivot tension.

You must use proper gunsmith screwdrivers, keep your fingers out of the trigger guard and don't adjust a cocked gun! Loosen the right hand side screw/nut and tighten the left hand side bolt. When the tension is correct, tighten the nut against the bolt and recheck.

THE WRONG PELLET
Most inaccuracy queries emanate from owners of .177 magnum Sporters capable of muzzle velocities in excess of 1000 fps. In the power race, many manufacturers use the very lightest pellet available to achieve their advertised velocity and boost their sales. Invariably, this pellet is not the best for these guns, in terms of accuracy, energy and velocity retention downrange where it counts. Every gun is different and what works for one gun doesn't mean it will work on the next gun even if it is the same make and model.

Buy an assortment pack in your caliber, and see which pellets shoot the best group at your preferred shooting distance. Pellet induced accuracy problems on lower powered Air-guns can usually be cured by switching brands or types. Don't use old and oxidized pellets or any deformed examples - discard them immediately. Only use high quality lead pellets from respected manufacturers. Cheap pellets are false economy.

DIRTY BORE
Air-guns do foul barrels but not in the same manner as regular firearms. Instead minute traces of lead and the gun's mechanisms spray lubricants from the compression chamber that deposit in the rifling. This must be carefully removed with a proper Air-gun barrel cleaning kit.
It’s strongly recommended to use a good Clean Kit which is a compact flexible rod that won't damage the delicate crown or rifling and it covers all four calibers. Carefully follow the directions for the best results.

Don't use regular firearm solvents because they will attack the seals. Use a gentle degreaser using a cotton patch and make sure the bore is dry before applying a very light coat of polarizing oil to protect against rust. A good quick fix in the field is to use "Quick Clean" felt pellets which are fired through the barrel every 1000 shots or so. On any Air-gun with greater than match velocity, use multiple Quick Clean pellets.

Always sight in your Air-gun each time you open a new tin of pellets. Variations can occur between batches.

INCORRECT SHOOTING TECHNIQUES
Regular firearm rules doesn't work on spring piston Air-guns. That is why many expert firearm marksmen can't shoot Air-guns accurately and why many expert Air-gunners shoot regular firearms so well. There are two basic reasons:

1.Hold your Air-gun loosely against your shoulder and let it jump around when you fire it. Don't pull it in hard into your shoulder or strangle its forearm and don't rest the forearm on a hard surface. Let it recoil and vibrate freely - don't try to prevent it.

2.When you sense that your Air-gun has fired, the pellet is only just starting up the barrel. The lock time is so much slower on Air-guns compared to firearms so you have to adjust and follow through. Hang onto your sight picture just a little longer and your groups will shrink. Naturally, trigger, breathing and stance principles still apply and there are plenty of books available on these topics to consult. If you have followed all these suggestions and still have accuracy problems your Air-gun may need the attention of an air-gunsmith. From experience it is far cheaper in the end to have an Air-gun specialist attend to it.
HAPPY SHOOTING :D :D :D
Brihacharan

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:57 pm
by slingshot
WOW. Thank you Brihacharan. Great to see all this information at one place.

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:01 pm
by hornet
KUDOS FOR THE WRITE UP

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:50 pm
by ajaisolan
Great and very valuable guidline to all airgunners, thanks a ton.

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:34 am
by hamiclar01
can you please credit the source, or paste the link for the website you pasted it from

many thanks

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:32 am
by brihacharan
hamiclar01 wrote:can you please credit the source, or paste the link for the website you pasted it from

many thanks
Hi there!
> Here we go - Inaccuracy in adult precision airguns, the causes and solutions.
www.air-rifle.net/inaccuracy/inaccuracy.html
Happy Shooting!
Cheers
Brihacharan

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:27 pm
by prasanjit.baul
Can you please throw some light and educate me on how to "sight in"???
Also where can i find these "Quick Clean Pellets"???

I am unsure about the brands of lubrication i should purchase or the cleaning equipment for the barrel. I have been adviced by one of our senior member to use 'pull through', knot one end of a tennis gut and insert a small piece (20x20mm)of lint free cloth through the other end....then pull through the barrel and repeat as many times till i begin to see almost clean cloth coming out.. Will this be okk?? if yes please let me know where can i source lint free cloth?? These scientific terms are not understandable to me...

Regards
Prasanjit

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:59 pm
by essdee1972
Briha sir, Thanks a lot! Can you help me to find out where I can get the proper screwdrivers in Mumbai? I almost screwed up one of the screws on my airgun using a normal driver

Prasanjit, lint free cloth is given free with every pair of specs / sunglasses sold in this country, esp the slightly good ones, so if you or anyone in your family wears glasses, you have it at home. You also get one with most laptop / plasma / LCD screen cleaning kits (try any electronic / computer store - Vijay Sales, Croma, etc.). I think 3M also introduced something, but haven't seen it much. Tennis gut, of course you can get in any sports shop, I use a single thin telephone wire with the insulation on. For lubrication, I use Singer sewing machine oil (I had once asked the same question in the forum - I think it was called "Lubrication for air guns", got a lot of responses from the gurus, mostly sewing machine oil was recommended for general purpose). Anyway, you will not be needing very frequent lubrication. Airgun_novice has also written a thread on teflon coating.

I think Gsmith website has cleaning pellets, as well as airgun cleaning kit.

Cheers!

EssDee

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:04 pm
by fantumfan2003
Sorry to chip in....Go to T Mohamadali in Lohar Chawl and get a screw driver set from them. They deal in a Brand called Clarke from UK also Stanley is another option.

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essdee1972 wrote:Briha sir, Thanks a lot! Can you help me to find out where I can get the proper screwdrivers in Mumbai? I almost screwed up one of the screws on my airgun using a normal driver


EssDee

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:07 pm
by essdee1972
Thanks, Fantumfan, will do that!

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:08 pm
by prasanjit.baul
essdee1972 wrote:Briha sir, Thanks a lot! Can you help me to find out where I can get the proper screwdrivers in Mumbai? I almost screwed up one of the screws on my airgun using a normal driver

Prasanjit, lint free cloth is given free with every pair of specs / sunglasses sold in this country, esp the slightly good ones, so if you or anyone in your family wears glasses, you have it at home. You also get one with most laptop / plasma / LCD screen cleaning kits (try any electronic / computer store - Vijay Sales, Croma, etc.). I think 3M also introduced something, but haven't seen it much. Tennis gut, of course you can get in any sports shop, I use a single thin telephone wire with the insulation on. For lubrication, I use Singer sewing machine oil (I had once asked the same question in the forum - I think it was called "Lubrication for air guns", got a lot of responses from the gurus, mostly sewing machine oil was recommended for general purpose). Anyway, you will not be needing very frequent lubrication. Airgun_novice has also written a thread on teflon coating.

I think Gsmith website has cleaning pellets, as well as airgun cleaning kit.

Cheers!

EssDee
Thanks a Lot SD... i will search for a lint free cloth today itself and clean my barrel at the earliest... I had used some cheap pellets in the beginning as i had no source and knowledge about good pellets.. Now i only use Mastershot or P10 (both flatheads)... So i think, for the crap i have done using the cheap pellets will need some cleaning now..
Many thanks for the information

Regards
Prasanjit Baul

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:10 pm
by hillsman
which is the correct way to aim with iron sights, both eyes open or one eye shut?

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:57 am
by essdee1972
Prasanjit, unless you have fired at least 500+ of the cheapo stuff, you wouldn't need to clean it.

Hillsman, that would be probably on personal preference (That's what most sites say, so I am just plagiarising here :) ). Jim Corbett shot with both eyes open. With a telesight it might be a problem as the focus of both eyes will differ. I personally get a double image on keeping both eyes open, but probably that might go away with practice. Also, I wear glasses of high negative power, which will impact the sight picture differently.

Cheers!

EssDee

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:19 am
by timmy
hillsman:

Your "master eye" is going to be the one that aligns the sights. I'm sure you know that the front sight is the one that must be in the clearest focus. So, it is only necessary to have one eye open. Some people find it a bit difficult to accomplish sighting with both eyes open. A little practice will help you to "train" your master eye to do its duty. Keep working at it -- it is not hard to keep both eyes open, even when using a telescopic sight if you practice with it and keep your master eye trained.

In my old age, I have found that I can no longer focus on the front sight with my corrective eyeglasses. So I started using an adjustable orifice that attaches to my shooting glasses with a small suction cup. This will help me to get the sight picture I need, but it doesn't substitute for young eyes!

With this orifice, I will sometimes need to close my left eye to force my right eye to do its duty and acquire a sighting picture. Then I can open the left one. My left eye has a bit of astigmatism, so it doesn't help as much as it used to.

The advantage to shooting with both eyes open, iron sights or scope, is that you have a much wider field of view. Out in the field, you simply see a lot more of what is going on around you. Perhaps if you are shooting at the range or from a rest, it may not be important to use both eyes. However, I worked to shoot with both eyes when I was young and still enjoy shooting that way, so it's what I do, no matter the shooting situation.

I am sure that there are folks who use just one eye who can shoot circles around me. Think about it and do what's best for you.

Re: Inaccuracy in Air Guns

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:42 am
by prasanjit.baul
essdee1972 wrote:Prasanjit, unless you have fired at least 500+ of the cheapo stuff, you wouldn't need to clean it.

EssDee
Yes SD... i have shot more than 500+ shots with those cheap bugs... I think probably more than 700+... The pellets were Diana Shot and Marshal Shots (Round Heads) which fit very easily into the breech.. The time i got the quality pellets (Mastershots & P10) they were hard to be pressed down into the breech as they were slightly bigger and well shaped ones., top of that after cocking when i used to pull the trigger the pellets didn move out of the breech. It stayed where it was put. I used to open the barrel as there used to be sound of air juggling inside the gun. Just when the barrel was opened there was a sound like "Pishhhh" of the air coming out from the breaking point of the barrel. Spoke to Briha sir and was advised to take it to H&H and check up the issue.. The H&H guy identified it correctly that it was due to factory defect and some trial and errors do occur. So he drilled the breech a bit till the pellets shot correctly and also cleaned the spring and piston (but no lubrication) and tested till it was all fine. He asked me whether i would like to change the spring to Cherokee there itself. But i was a bit hesitant as i want to use the stock spring for some days. Atleast for 4-6 months or so.. Now the quality pellets fit in well and shoot well. But recently i have noticed some loss in power than earlier. Will be getting the rifle tuned as per our gurus advice. will fit a good imported spring with a good Piston seal and spring guide.. and yes the open sights too.. Will be doing this after the monsoon subsides.

But for the cheap pellets i used before i am quite sure i will need a cleaning of bore/barrel as of now to improve the performance a bit... Will keep you informed about it..

Regards