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How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:31 pm
by snIPer
How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Here is a good article on that.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/me ... 7s+a+test-


How long do you keep your springer cocked? Here's a test.
December 28 2001 at 10:04 PM RBest (Login RBest)
YFOT
Posted by Ken Pang on December 25, 1999

OBJECTIVE: To determine the effect on a mainspring if airgun is left cocked for an extended period.

Preparation: Airgun was disassembled, thoroughly degreased, examined, lightly lubed with a mixture of Silicone oil & moly, then reassembled.

Procedure: After reassembly, airgun was fired 10 times to eliminate any excess lubricant which would contribute to dieseling.

Muzzle velocity recorded at each period in time was the average of 5 shots.

VO = prior to test;
V1 = gun left cocked for 1 week, 24 hrs per day (168 hrs);
V2 = gun left cocked for 2 weeks, 24 hrs/day (336 hrs);
V4= left cocked for 4 weeks (672 hrs);
V12 = left cocked for 12 weeks (2,016 hrs) and
V24 = 24 weeks (4,032 hrs).

At each period, gun uncocked and left uncocked for 72 hrs to allow the spring to regain as much as possible of its original power (memory effect).

The gun was cocked and uncocked a number of times to get the cylinder walls lubed and then 2 shots fired over a chrono.
The average of these 2 shots were taken.

All pellets have been sized and weighed then batched according to weight. All pellets used in this test were of uniform size and weight. All airguns were .177 cal and all velocity readings are in feet per second.

---------- V0-- V1- V2- V4- V12 V24 % Vel Decrease
HW30----- 655 648 630 592 521 481 26.6
HW50----- 705 682 678 640 565 513 27.2
HW35----- 715 698 689 652 576 533 25.5
R1-------- 975 965 944 891 789 739 24.2
Vulcan3--- 818 808 785 739 640 599 26.8
Webley
Hawk----- 655 638 630 589 519 476 27.3
BSA Merc- 695 679 668 630 552 511 26.5
FWB124---795 774 770 728 645 596 25.0

There were 2 spring failures (breakage) suffered by the Webley Hawk on weeks 4 and 12. None other suffered the same fate. I attribute spring failure to the absence of a spring guide in this make and model.

While the percentage reduction in m. velocities varied, reduction was generally around 25% of original m. velocity taken prior to commencement of test.

It should be noted that these percentage decreases are theoretically optimistic as the air gunner would more likely experience reductions in velocity greater than the statistics shown here. Dieseling, weight & size (diameter.) of pellets used, improper lubrication, temperature, conditions of usage etc. can all have an adverse impact on the life and power of a mainspring.

This test does show that leaving a spring airgun cocked, no matter for how long, will adversely affect the life and power of any mainspring.

Custom springs will be more resistant to decrease in power but the process will still occur over a longer period of time. I do not suggest that you change the ways you hunt but I point out, as Tom Gaylord has done very well, that be prepared to pay the price of higher maintenance.

And here's an experience I had:

While one hour doesn't seem too horrible, the figures from 2 weeks on are disturbing. It also agrees with an experience I had with a C-1. The gun had been left cocked---on a gunrack in someones pickup truck-- for two weeks. When I tested it afterwards, it was down more than 150 fps with Premiers. Pissed me off ! I wound up buying a new spring from Beeman because of this. RB

This is why don't keep mine cocked for more than 1/2 hour at a time.




RBest (BesTunes)

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:42 pm
by hvj1
Thanks Sniper
This was useful info
Regards

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:36 pm
by fantumfan2003
Mine are never left cocked for more than a minute. Why would I leave my springer cocked for long durations at all ? Its not good for the springers health and longetivity.

M.

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:51 pm
by Katana
Ever wondered on the safety issue too? Might be a pellet in it and somebody unknowingly picks it up...........

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:04 pm
by marksman
Well friends,
Since we are on this topic of spring taking a set, what I'd like to ask is what if a new Air rifle is left almost unused for a decade and half or so. I have a brand new Diana 48/52 which I got in 1991 from abroad and have been hardly able to use it. Hence the query. I do not have the courage to fire it with empty barrel lest something went wrong. Needless to say it is still in brand new condition. Please enlighten me on this one as my knowledge on airguns is very limited.
BTW, it's not for sale.

Marksman

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:17 pm
by to_saptarshi
marksman wrote:Well friends,
Since we are on this topic of spring taking a set, what I'd like to ask is what if a new Air rifle is left almost unused for a decade and half or so. I have a brand new Diana 48/52 which I got in 1991 from abroad and have been hardly able to use it. Hence the query. I do not have the courage to fire it with empty barrel lest something went wrong. Needless to say it is still in brand new condition. Please enlighten me on this one as my knowledge on airguns is very limited.
BTW, it's not for sale.

Marksman
I am not very clear about your question . What I understand is , the rifle never or hardly fired since you bought it from 1991 and now you are unsure about how safe will it be to fire ? I think you dont need to worry ,

If I was in your position , I would have completely strip it off and check the piston seal ( Because thats the only one that may get hard and prone to broke) and the reassemble it with proper oiling and greasing in the compression chamber . seal and spring . other wise you can just drop two to three drops of gun oil in the chamber (not more than that ) and allow the seal to soak and lube for a while , the cock the gun and load a pellet and test fire it in a suitable position with a solid back stop. There should be a thud sound which tells you your piston seal is ok. If heard any thing metalic sound . Stop shooting and change the piston seal immdiately.

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:39 pm
by marksman
Thanks for the info to-saptarshi. How ever I was told by some one that the washer in these models are made of some synthetic substance like nylon and do not spoil that easily.. The airgun that I had earlier had the washer made of Leather if I remember correctly. I took a chance, cocked and fired it without the pellet on my terrace after I wrote this query and it made substantially loud bang, loud enough to make the startled crows leave their nests. It Sounded all right I guess. I shall try out with some pellets tomorrow sometime, hopefully with positive results and let you all know the result. This airgun (5.5mm)was pretty powerful when I bought it (not from England)and I'd surely know if any deterioration has set in. :)

Marksman

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:42 pm
by xl_target
I just had a thought. What if after the gun showed a decrease of velocity, it was left uncocked for similar periods of time, will the spring recover from its set and regain some of its former abilities?
The general thought is that all springs can get a "set" if compressed for a period of time but generally springs lose their effectiveness from repeated compression and extension rather than from being compressed over periods of time.

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:56 pm
by to_saptarshi
marksman wrote:I took a chance, cocked and fired it without the pellet on my terrace after I wrote this query and it made substantially loud bang
Lesson learning for you. NEVER fire a springer without a pellet. There will be no cushioning effect and piston will be slammed on the compression wall which is not at all desirable.

Yes now they are made of nylon or synthetic washer , but I was not sure if they were present during 1991 or not hence advised you to check for piston seal, if it was leather , it would have dired or broken by this time otherwise.

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:19 am
by fantumfan2003
In a springer, once a spring is compressed (that is the gun is cocked) the spring will get set.
You have a Diana which you did not shoot for a decade ?
I have space for a Diana so would you be kind enough to donate it to me ? :lol:
If you fear shooting it after so many years then don't.
Diana's come with a self lubricating seal and it should still be near perfect.

Just two precautions to take.

1) NEVER fire a spring without a pellet.
2) NEVER leave it cocked. Its not good for the guns health and not good for your safety.

I'll PM you my address so you can courier the Diana to me ;-)

M.
marksman wrote:Well friends,
Since we are on this topic of spring taking a set, what I'd like to ask is what if a new Air rifle is left almost unused for a decade and half or so. I have a brand new Diana 48/52 which I got in 1991 from abroad and have been hardly able to use it. Hence the query. I do not have the courage to fire it with empty barrel lest something went wrong. Needless to say it is still in brand new condition. Please enlighten me on this one as my knowledge on airguns is very limited.
BTW, it's not for sale.

Marksman

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:14 am
by marksman
Fantumfan2003,

DARR KE AAGE JEET HAI..........................UMMEED KE AGE MAYUSEE HAI. :wink: :wink:

Marksman


ps: thanks for the guidance

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:35 pm
by brihacharan
Hi Guys,
> Bingo! Fantumfan is right on all scores.
> There's nothing like 'How long can one keep a air-gun cocked' - The answer is "NEVER LEAVE A AIRGUN COCKED" - BAD FOR THE GUN - BAD FOR SAFETY.
> Although the spring is an inanimate object - It still develops inertia when kept idle over long periods of time.
> If the gun has been in disuse for long periods of time -It would be advisable to keep the trigger pressed and then go through the cocking motion at least a dozen times before firing a pellet, to get it out of its inertia.
> If the cocking pressure is high then a few drops of 'silicone based' machine oil in the spring & transfer port would help.
Cheers
Briha

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:43 pm
by SUFFIX
I have kept my gun cocked for couple of weeks for testing purpose and not found any change in velocity.

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:52 pm
by fantumfan2003
Dost.....Ummeed pe duniya kayam hai.....

PM mila ?

M.
marksman wrote:Fantumfan2003,

DARR KE AAGE JEET HAI..........................UMMEED KE AGE MAYUSEE HAI. :wink: :wink:

Marksman


ps: thanks for the guidance

Re: How long can you leave your airgun Cocked?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:28 pm
by davidj7
I sure dont want to try this on my air rifles