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Broommaster2000
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by Broommaster2000 » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:37 am
browning";p="57225 wrote:Broomaster,
The air rifle is doing well, great rather. I mainly use it for long range plinking/field target shooting. I use the Barakuda pellets as the heavier pellets do well in this gun.
Regards.
Browning,
I also use Bara EH's for my Diana 48. I'm wondering how much energy the 460 M really produces. Do you have a Chronometer? To send me the bullet speeds? From that I'll be able to calculate the amount of energy.
Right now my 48 does 14 Fpe with the Bara's.
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- .177 Slavia 630 "Lange Jan" with Jan Tune -
- .22/.177 Pile 'o Crosman (Tac Sniper, SSP 250, CB Custom Parts) -
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yash3_great
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by yash3_great » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:45 pm
The F inside a pentagon is called a Freimark. It is required on some airguns, to depict that it doesn't exceed 7.5 Joules of energy at the muzzle. It roughly translates to 12 ft/lb. Airguns with energy greater than this require a firearm license in some countries.
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browning
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by browning » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:18 pm
I don't have a chrono currently. When i do chrono it il surely let you know.
Babu, what yash says is correct. But the velocity limiter can be removed in countries wher there is no restricition.
Ai, it says Designed and Engineered in America. It's made by Simmons.
Regards.
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Broommaster2000
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by Broommaster2000 » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:32 pm
yash3_great";p="57266 wrote:The F inside a pentagon is called a Freimark. It is required on some airguns, to depict that it doesn't exceed 7.5 Joules of energy at the muzzle. It roughly translates to 12 ft/lb. Airguns with energy greater than this require a firearm license in some countries.
7.5 Joule is actually 5.5 ft/lb, or Fpe. That's a rather great difference. 12 Fpe is about 16.3 Joule.
In the UK, you need a FAC for anything above 12 Fpe. In a lot of other countries, it's 5.5 Fpe, which isn't a lot.
Browning, do I take from this that you own an F version, or an 12 Fpe version?
How are you shooting it? From a bipod, or a sandsack?
- .22 "Bulk Fill" Airmagnum 850 "Ugly Umi" -
- .177 Diana 48 "Lady Di" Black Range -
- .177 Slavia 630 "Lange Jan" with Jan Tune -
- .22/.177 Pile 'o Crosman (Tac Sniper, SSP 250, CB Custom Parts) -
- Duct Tape (Fixes everything) -
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yash3_great
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by yash3_great » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:38 pm
Thanks for the correction broommaster. 12 ft/lb would be 18 Joules infact.
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Broommaster2000
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by Broommaster2000 » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:55 pm
Strange, my calculator says something different.
www.luchtbuks.net/convert.htm
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Broommaster2000 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- .22 "Bulk Fill" Airmagnum 850 "Ugly Umi" -
- .177 Diana 48 "Lady Di" Black Range -
- .177 Slavia 630 "Lange Jan" with Jan Tune -
- .22/.177 Pile 'o Crosman (Tac Sniper, SSP 250, CB Custom Parts) -
- Duct Tape (Fixes everything) -
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yash3_great
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by yash3_great » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:57 pm
Is it? Maybe mine has some problem then

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Broommaster2000
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by Broommaster2000 » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:58 pm
I added a link in my previous post.
I don't think there is a difference between Fpe en Ft/Lb,.

- .22 "Bulk Fill" Airmagnum 850 "Ugly Umi" -
- .177 Diana 48 "Lady Di" Black Range -
- .177 Slavia 630 "Lange Jan" with Jan Tune -
- .22/.177 Pile 'o Crosman (Tac Sniper, SSP 250, CB Custom Parts) -
- Duct Tape (Fixes everything) -
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yash3_great
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by yash3_great » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:24 pm
My bad... you are right. 16.27 Joule.
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browning
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by browning » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:33 pm
I am not sure of the velocities, its the standard 460 magnum . I have shot it as it is and have not chronoed it.
Sorry.
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Broommaster2000
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by Broommaster2000 » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:24 pm
Aha, that also explains why you have a .177 in stead of a .22. One doesn't want this gun in full power in .177. That's just bad for the gun and the person shooting it.
I bet it shoots like a real charm then.
Browning, you use the Baracuda Extra Heavies, right? They're 10,3 Grain, so that would covert to a pellet speed of 220 Mps (724 Fps) which places the rifle in a middle class performance section.
Maybe spring guides with a bit of preload trough a top hat will add a slight increase in Mps.
How about Twang? Is it absent?
- .22 "Bulk Fill" Airmagnum 850 "Ugly Umi" -
- .177 Diana 48 "Lady Di" Black Range -
- .177 Slavia 630 "Lange Jan" with Jan Tune -
- .22/.177 Pile 'o Crosman (Tac Sniper, SSP 250, CB Custom Parts) -
- Duct Tape (Fixes everything) -
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ai
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by ai » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:20 pm
The Baracuda in .177 weigh 10.65, not 10.3 grains. At the same speed, that a lot of energy difference.
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Mo
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by Mo » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:46 am
Nice Gun bro! Glad you got it without any hiccups!
Keep us posted on how it settles in!
Enjoy!
Mo.
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by Broommaster2000 » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:24 am
ai";p="57318 wrote:The Baracuda in .177 weigh 10.65, not 10.3 grains. At the same speed, that a lot of energy difference.
Why does the site where I buy them list them as 10.3 grains, then? The Baracuda Extra Heavy Match pellets are 10.5. Besides, the 5 behind the 6 only matters when you're match shooting, not when you're plinking.
Did you weigh them yourself? I don't have weighing scales, so I'm kind of relying on the credibility of my supplier.

- .22 "Bulk Fill" Airmagnum 850 "Ugly Umi" -
- .177 Diana 48 "Lady Di" Black Range -
- .177 Slavia 630 "Lange Jan" with Jan Tune -
- .22/.177 Pile 'o Crosman (Tac Sniper, SSP 250, CB Custom Parts) -
- Duct Tape (Fixes everything) -
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ai
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by ai » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:14 am
I haven't weighed them myself, but am relying on the manufacturer's website, which should take precedence over all other sources.
5 behind the 6- when calculating energy, we might as well use the best figure available. I agree it does not make much difference though!