My ORION 22cal now fitted with a Gas Ram!

[sathya.sniper]

I suppose the manufacturers just want to play it safe.

Other than precihole no Indian manufacturer is innovating. Everyone makes minor cosmetic changes in the same copy of Diana that is rampant across India.

Well said !, Its the real truth in the field of our indian Air rifles.

[pratik_mahale]

When my Pegasus was new master shot pellets fps was about 795 & JSB 8.44 grains fps was 773
After about 4-4.5K shots the velocity decreased by around 50 fps I check the spring but it was ok
& I don’t wants to change the main spring as my gun was shooting very smoothly so I decided to
increase the top hat weight & the velocity increase by 30 fps I was very happy with the result as
I can hit bottle cap consistently at 30 yards with my Pegasus
Still my gun energy level is below 11 ft-lbs hope after installing Gas ram it will be between
11.5 to 12 ft-lbs but power without accuracy is no use at all so my first criteria is accuracy

I also had shot with the prototype of Gas Ram when I brought my Pegasus but at that time both
the guns was new to me but now as I am using my Pegasus regularly I can make the difference
so I will first test the gas ram AR again before installing it in my Pegasus

One more thing my Pegasus gives me heavy recoil with Gsmith High Impect (weight around 10.4 grain) compare to Master shot
I read some ware if you are using Gas ram than you don’t need to bother about the weight of the pellets is it true

[GNV]

Brihaji,
The picture of the gas ram fitted piston is confusing me. I have been thinking that to change to a gas ram one only needed to replace the spring,top hat,etc with the ram and the piston remains the same. Am I correct or wrong?
Regards,
GNV.

[brihacharan]

Brihaji,
The picture of the gas ram fitted piston is confusing me. I have been thinking that to change to a gas ram one only needed to replace the spring,top hat,etc with the ram and the piston remains the same. Am I correct or wrong?
Regards,
GNV.

> The picture you saw of the Gas Ram is already fitted into the piston is just to be inserted into the receiver - that's all.
> You are also right - One only needs to replace the spring,top hat,etc with the ram and the piston remains the same.
Briha

[mercury]

Before jump in to gas ram,percihole need to improove thier product.their AR still have so many problems.like trigger, aim pin etc.

kind of bluntly put but I would not entirely disagree with the statement. yes, PH does need to work on some of the niggles...esp. as critical a part as the trigger unit. but having said that , as to whether PH should "jump into gas ram" , well ...that is up to PH to take a call on.

another statement I do have a little problem with is...." it is a step in the right direction ". is it ?? and if so in what way?

I do not think a gas ram can completely replace the springer just as much as pcp's will never replace springers. they are all basically the same with different power sources and besides having their pros and cons ....its more or less a question of personnel preference.

imo, a well tuned springer will shoot just as good as a gas ram. yes torque and vibration may be less , but in the lower powered option there will not be that much of a difference. in the magnum range ( Theoben) there could be a difference. there again quality kits like JM , Vortek , V mach etc could give as smooth a shooting cycle as the gas ram.

another much quoted advantage of the gas ram has been the gain of keeping it cocked indefinitely......very true. but there have been many experiments carried out by having springer's kept cocked over long periods of time.....weeks/months in fact to show any real alarming loss of velocity. don't believe me.....google and check out.

no , I have nothing against gas rams ....they are definitely great shooting experience's and great technology.

now if I owned a TX series of rifles , would I gas ram it.....hmmm. just my 2 bits.

[brihacharan]

As to whether PH should "jump into gas ram" , well ...that is up to PH to take a call on.
I do not think a gas ram can completely replace the springer just as much as pcp's will never replace springers. they are all basically the same with different power sources and besides having their pros and cons ....its more or less a question of personnel preference.
I have nothing against gas rams ....they are definitely great shooting experience's and great technology. Now if I owned a TX series of rifles , would I gas ram it.....hmmm. just my 2 bits.

Well said Mercury
Any manufacturing / marketing company to grow & sustain in business will add to their product range...
Its their decision / call & am sure there must be a good reason behind it...
Having a product mix is a business strategy - Just as auto manufacturers have more than one model to offer... From carburators to fuel injection etc. etc.
Besides it takes both courage, conviction & foresight to venture & succeed
Briha

[nevil]

Sir
This is great news please do update on availability in the market and price for changing .
Regards
Nevil

[brihacharan]

Sir
This is great news please do update on availability in the market and price for changing .
Regards
Nevil

Hi nevil,
> Precihole has made its NX series (ARs fitted with Gas Rams) available in the market - Pl check in your area. AIMCO Kolkata has already started despatching orders.
> Regarding changing existing Orion / Pegasus to Gas Rams - Contact Precihole thro their web-site to know the procedure....
Good Luck..
Briha

[pratik_mahale]

Briha Sir Hope u don’t mind for posting my review about NP Pegasus hear
I upgraded my Pegasus air rifle with Nitro Piston last week but got chance to test it today only
Fire about 60-70 shot today first thing I notice increase in cocking effort & heavy trigger.
As I am very use to with my light IHP trigger I find this is very heavy let see after about 500-600 shot how the trigger is doing
Now about the power it’s defiantly more than Springer unfortunately my chronograph is not working so can’t give the velocity details but recoil is very less & as the lock time is less its improves the accuracy
Finally & most important the accuracy
Master shot was doing well in my Springer Pegasus but in NP its grouping more than 2 inches may be due to the weight I have RWS 7 gr pellets I will try that next time which will conform whether NP likes only heavy pellets
I have uploaded the pic of my 25 yards shooting with H&N Sports FTT 8.64 grain round head pellets & the latest Precipell Field Target 8.2 grain from Precihole sports
Precipell pellets are doing better than H&N
In the pic at bottom I shot 6 pellets each three pellets groups ½ “but I think it because of the trigger the POI is changed

Grouping.jpg

[brihacharan]

Briha Sir Hope u don’t mind for posting my review about NP Pegasus hear
I upgraded my Pegasus air rifle with Nitro Piston last week but got chance to test it today only
Fire about 60-70 shot today first thing I notice increase in cocking effort & heavy trigger.
As I am very use to with my light IHP trigger I find this is very heavy let see after about 500-600 shot how the trigger is doing
Now about the power it’s defiantly more than Springer unfortunately my chronograph is not working so can’t give the velocity details but recoil is very less & as the lock time is less its improves the accuracy
Finally & most important the accuracy
Master shot was doing well in my Springer Pegasus but in NP its grouping more than 2 inches may be due to the weight I have RWS 7 gr pellets I will try that next time which will conform whether NP likes only heavy pellets
I have uploaded the pic of my 25 yards shooting with H&N Sports FTT 8.64 grain round head pellets & the latest Precipell Field Target 8.2 grain from Precihole sports
Precipell pellets are doing better than H&N
In the pic at bottom I shot 6 pellets each three pellets groups ½ “but I think it because of the trigger the POI is changed

Grouping.jpg

Pratik Mahale wrote....
Briha Sir Hope u don’t mind for posting my review about NP Pegasus here
Hi Pratik,
> You are most welcome to post your findings here (of precihole's pellet testing) and above all your test results will certainly add to the experience & knowledge shared in this regard.
> Very interesting to note the consistency in weight & dimensions of Precihole pellets & more so the tight grouping as compared to the internationally known H&N pellets
> If I may share this space with you - I too had a similar experience with my Orion (fitted with Gas Ram) using Precihole's 0.22 cal 15gr pellets...
> In my comparison with RWS 0.22 cal 14.3gr - Precihole Pellets performed better in terms of a better grouping at 30ft.
> I'll post the target pics shortly...
> It should be a matter of consolation to all AR shooters that at last we can lay our hands on an International Quality range of pellets that's available locally that's bound to add to our shooting pleasure
Briha

[pratik_mahale]

thanks Sir

[brihacharan]

thanks Sir

Briha

[brihacharan]

Hi Guys,
> Herewith the tests I conducted with Precihole Pellets (15gr Round Heads) & RWS H-Point (14.2gr Hollow Points) both in 0.22 cal using my ORION fitted with a Nitro Piston.
> As you can observe both pellets are uniform in shape while the tapering is a tad different - The Precipells have a slightly larger dia as compared to the RWS pellets.
> The lock time in both appeared to be similar - while the fit in the breech of the RWS was easy, Precipells was snug.
> The tests reveal that Precipells group a shade better than the RWS!








Briha

[Basu]

Crux of the matter.......
India can excel .........

Basu

[bennedose]

Super stuff Brihaji. I am still waiting for Precipell to arrive in Bangalore. Looks like dealers here have sent a bullock cart to Mumbai to pick them up.