IHP "National" air rifles & pistols

[ronish]

i have the 25 model .177.
grouping does not depend on model but on a lot of other aspects. (mainly pellet selection).
if you are going to use it only for competitions then i would recommend the mod 25 as it is lighter and easier to handle.

thanks for that snipper.can u pls recomment a specific indian brand pellet to be used for competetions in an ihp,& also its price

[Prabhath]

Ronish,

Among the Indian pellets available, I personally feel that the Gsmith ones are the best. For more info about Gsmith pellets visit their website gsmithco.com

[yash3_great]

Personally i feel that the model 25 is better. The model 35 is just 5 cm long but weighs a kg more. It seems the power is the same for both the models. Model 25 has very little recoil if any.

[snIPer]

The Gsmith wadcutters will be the best for competitions. Price - no idea at all.

[rishudhawan]

price was 100 odd bucks for a box of 200 pellets i think, can verify if you want, ofc this was for the .22

[ronish]

hi ... friends ,thanks for the information.

[yash3_great]

Someone gifted me his 10 or more years old Natioanl 25 in 0.22 a few days back. The gun is from the first few batches probably as the serial number is in the early 500. It is a lot different from the IHP of date. The Monte Carlo stock is made of much better wood and is equally well crafted. The trigger is as smooth as a Diana! Although, except for the stock, the gun has same features as the recent model. I was surprised at the difference.

The gun is in pristine condition but for a very little loss of bluing on the barrel and some rust in bore.

[eager]

My new National 25 airfifle is surprisingly accurate with export quality G Smith Competition & P-10 pellets. One inch groups can regularly be made at 10 m range. still it is not good enough for competition purposes. At most it may be able to get me qualified at state level events.

The problem lies with
1. Recoil
2. Lack of peep sight
3. Hard trigger

Inspite of these limitations the rifle is extremely accurate.
A Pipal tree shoot had started growing at the back of my flat where the sewer lines are situated. It had to be removed somehow. the only reasonable method was to call a labourer along with a 30 foot ladder right upto the tree. But I got on top of the roof where the distance was about 15-16 feet. The Pipal shoot was only a few millimeters thick, less than half a centimeter. With 2 shots from my rifle I cut the shoot clean!
This is mighty accurate for a equipment of measly 3500 bucks.
But still it is not match grade.

Can any one guide me on how to improve on the 3 points noted above?

I Also discovered that some of the costlier G Smith P-10 pellets were irregular in size i.e some fitted very loosely and some tighty in the breech. The G Smith Competition pellets were much more consistent. Anyone else with similar experience?

Thanks in advance

[eager]

My new National 25 airfifle is surprisingly accurate with export quality G Smith Competition & P-10 pellets. One inch groups can regularly be made at 10 m range. still it is not good enough for competition purposes. At most it may be able to get me qualified at state level events.

The problem lies with

1. Recoil
2. Lack of peep sight
3. Hard trigger

Inspite of these limitations the rifle is extremely accurate.

A Pipal tree shoot had started growing at the back of my flat where the sewer lines are situated. It had to be removed somehow. the only reasonable method was to call a labourer along with a 30 foot ladder right upto the tree. But I got on top of the roof where the distance was about 15-16 feet. The Pipal shoot was only a few millimeters thick, less than half a centimeter. With 2 shots from my rifle I cut the shoot clean!
This is mighty accurate for a equipment of measly 3500 bucks.
But still it is not match grade.

Can any one guide me on how to improve on the 3 points noted above?

I Also discovered that some of the costlier G Smith P-10 pellets were irregular in size i.e some fitted very loosely and some tighty in the breech. The G Smith Competition pellets were much more consistent. Anyone else with similar experience?

Thanks in advance

[fantumfan2003]

Yes the P-10 are inconsistent. Discovered that recently. We used Mod 25 .177 for training. I'll give the Competitions a try

The hard trigger becomes manageable after a period of use. At our AR club the older 25's had a reasonable good trigger.

Manish

My new National 25 airfifle is surprisingly accurate with export quality G Smith Competition & P-10 pellets. One inch groups can regularly be made at 10 m range. still it is not good enough for competition purposes. At most it may be able to get me qualified at state level events.

The problem lies with
1. Recoil
2. Lack of peep sight
3. Hard trigger

Inspite of these limitations the rifle is extremely accurate.
A Pipal tree shoot had started growing at the back of my flat where the sewer lines are situated. It had to be removed somehow. the only reasonable method was to call a labourer along with a 30 foot ladder right upto the tree. But I got on top of the roof where the distance was about 15-16 feet. The Pipal shoot was only a few millimeters thick, less than half a centimeter. With 2 shots from my rifle I cut the shoot clean!
This is mighty accurate for a equipment of measly 3500 bucks.
But still it is not match grade.

Can any one guide me on how to improve on the 3 points noted above?

I Also discovered that some of the costlier G Smith P-10 pellets were irregular in size i.e some fitted very loosely and some tighty in the breech. The G Smith Competition pellets were much more consistent. Anyone else with similar experience?

Thanks in advance

[eager]

Thank you for your observation. But I also want to be advised on reducing the recoil and installing a peep sight on it. Otherwise it is a cute little thing for outdoor plinking.
Delhi is an extremely congested place and totally unfit for this hobby. I have to be extemely careful before firing lest I may hit some people or their windows/outdoor items. Hitting birds or animals is also a strictly no-no.

Thanks in advance

[yash3_great]

The recoil and trigger stiffness dies a little with age as I have seen. Put down some 2K+ pellets and see. Also, the recoil may some what be attributed to the short length of the model 25 as a whole. I have an old model 25 in 0.22 which has a comparitevely smoother trigger and very less recoil. So methinks it has to do with the 'breaking-in' period.

My Model 25 on .177 will not take Gsmith pellets at all!

[rk]

Hi,
I had a discussion with the GM of IHP regarding the possibility of fixing a peepsight to my IHP mod 35 0.177. As per what he informed me, this is not possible.
regards,
rk

[eager]

Hi yash3_great! I have fired more than 1.5K pellets with my National 25. Maybe after a few more k's the trigger will get smoother.

My rifle also did'nt take the G Smith pellets at first. I had to enlarge the breech hole by grinding with a round file. Needless to emphasize that this should be done with greatest care; any rough edges andthe pellets would be distorted before comming out of the barrel. Fire a few rounds into a wad of cotton or clump of cloth and check out the pellets.
But after that it would stop accepting anything smaller than the GSmiths'. . No more local pellets- a good thing anyway.

The local Kolkata manufacturers such as Huntr & New Diana also fit peepsights on some of their models. Are they of any use?

thanks

[fantumfan2003]

Checkout my pic of grouping with the SPAR and GSmith Competition .177 pellets. Under 1inch at 10mtrs. It also has the grouping at 20mtrs. The fit of the pellets is excellent. Bombay is a crowded place too so I have my shooting sessions on our building terrace. That way no spectators, total calm equals a good shooting session. Is a peep sight absolutely necessary for you ? I will check with the doc if it can be done. As for holding the air rifle see this

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/07/ ... -hold.html

Incidentally the doc held a National record with a National 25 for quite some time but these days if you are to take part in a 10mtr air rifle competition, PCP air rifles are the way to go. I see shooters literally make holes in holes one after the other with the German 10mtr beauties.

Rgds

Manish

Thank you for your observation. But I also want to be advised on reducing the recoil and installing a peep sight on it. Otherwise it is a cute little thing for outdoor plinking.
Delhi is an extremely congested place and totally unfit for this hobby. I have to be extemely careful before firing lest I may hit some people or their windows/outdoor items. Hitting birds or animals is also a strictly no-no.

Thanks in advance