Can we let IHP know the kind of guns we want

brihacharan · Post by **brihacharan** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:46 pm

Hi hvj1 / Katana,
> Your insight into what went & goes on at IHP was an eye opener, especially that only barrels are made in-house and the rest parts are out sourced!
> Inspite of this and having people with no knowledge or empathy for guns to assemble them - the output is commendable.
> Being pipe manufacturers I hope that the tube for the powerplant is made by them - if not it is short sightedness on their part.
> Instead of suggesting to them as to what a good air rifle should contain etc. IHP should put more emphasis on Quality Control / Inspection of the out sourced items.
> Pardon my ignorance, does Dr. Sirsat hold a doctorate in mechanical engineering? My guesstimate is that he should be because from what I read in your posts.
> May be an informal dialogue with him would open up and we would be the better off for that. Till then..........
Cheers
Brihacharan

Katana · Post by **Katana** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:10 pm

Brihacharan,

Although I have not had the opportunity to meet Dr. Shrisat, I hold him in high esteem, mainly for the fact that he has done something which a person like you and me would not be able to do so. Namely, convincing the management, workers and importantly the managerial level guys to work on something new after almost twenty years of churning out the same products. Meanwhile, let us not be critical of Dr. Shrisat's professional qualifications. It's the man that counts. (Altough I suspect he is medical practitioner with a fondness for air rifles!)

However, it's time the company focused on producing field grade rifles because competitiveness and allied activities follow field shooting and not the other way around. By focusing on competitive grade air rifles only, they may just loose sight of their main market.

Regards,
Katana

Post by **hvj1** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:45 am

Katana wrote:(Altough I suspect he is medical practitioner with a fondness for air rifles!)

Katana

You are quite correct,he has a very successful practice in Mumbai. His passion for air weapons is somehting to be believed, COntiniouly thinking on the subject to the extent that I sometimes worry he may inform one of his patients, that 'your seals are gone and require immediate replacements"

Katana · Post by **Katana** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:55 am

hvj1,

gverma · Post by **gverma** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:43 pm

Hi
We are doing some good discussion, I would also appriciate if some concrete points around what we would want can also come out.... It will help me with the document.

I would like to deliver the first draft by end of next week based upon the number of suggessions.

I will send PM's to the following members hvj1, olly, dev, abhijet for requst to review. If anyother member would like to review the document please to PM me your email address.

The more reviewers we have the better will be the document.

Thanks
Regards
Gaurav

Katana · Post by **Katana** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:54 pm

gverma, hvj1

As compared to spring action rifles, the pneumatic side lever air rifle manufactured by IHP could be improved upon if they offer it in .22 cal., lighten the bulky stock and make the trigger a fair bit crisper. Also an addition of a 3/8 inch rail on the receiver would help; this rifle could then be offered without iron sights.

A rifle of this combination would be good for field plinking

Regards,
Katana

gverma · Post by **gverma** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:59 pm

Good points for a .22 plinking rifle, could you also suggest points to improve the .177 rifle for target practice

Katana · Post by **Katana** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:16 pm

gverma,

I suppose you are talking about the Pneumatic side lever air rifle. Well, this one was designed for target practice at the novice level. However, should changes be brought about in the .22 version, then the same changes could be done for the .177.

Katana

brihacharan · Post by **brihacharan** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:01 pm

However, it's time the company focused on producing field grade rifles because competitiveness and allied activities follow field shooting and not the other way around. By focusing on competitive grade air rifles only, they may just loose sight of their main market.

Regards,
Katana

Hi Katana,

> Agree 100%.
> The process may take time considering the consevative approach of the company.
> May be our sincere efforts as Gun Lovers will open their eyes towards making better products in the near future.
Cheers
Brihacharan

Post by **hvj1** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:00 pm

Gverma,
Emailed the first draft to Dr., will follow up with him and also try to get him onto this forum for direct one to one discussions with IFGians.
Regards

gverma · Post by **gverma** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:57 am

Cool, thanks....

jashwantsinh · Post by **jashwantsinh** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:15 am

Katana,

I really dont know the proportation of .22 and .177 Air rilfle users here in India, made by IHP. But, i feel that they (IHP) must do some standard changes in manufacturing both .22 and .177 Air rifles, Compressed air pistols, to withstand the International standard. I mean look, performance, material, other accossries and guarantee, etc. I belive cost factor of all Rifle and Pistol are at par with quality they give. Since .177 Rifle and Pistol are widely used in shooting practcing, and competations, they, first need to bring required changes into these caliber, thats i belive.

NOT just because i am using .177. I have used their new compressed Air Rilfe and Pistols, good worth the amount paying. But, still, they can do much much better. You see, no matter what could be the price for GOOD QUALITY one for which we all have been discussuing, there are pepole here to PAY for. IHP has infracture, brain, workers and on top of all their current market of all caliber weapon. may be they wont have to face any just to replace their production by better, international QUALITY. Weapon will speak itself of their quality upon use, and may be then, all we will be happy and IHP too

You know what i mean.

Regards,

Jashwantsinh.

gverma · Post by **gverma** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:23 pm

Good point...
can you enumerate some points about some of the guns which can result into direct actions.
I dont think we can influence there business strategy.

Post by **hvj1** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:57 pm

gverma wrote:I dont think we can influence there business strategy.

Spot on, dont waste your valuable time even thinking about it.

gverma · Post by **gverma** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:27 pm

Katana wrote:
As compared to spring action rifles, the pneumatic side lever air rifle manufactured by IHP could be improved upon if they offer it in .22 cal., lighten the bulky stock and make the trigger a fair bit crisper. Also an addition of a 3/8 inch rail on the receiver would help; this rifle could then be offered without iron sights.

Hi Guys above is a great example of a comment which could help us. It describes a problem and even the cause of problem... please do send us all the issues you have faced. Try thinking one thing at a time you might want to fix.

Regards
Gaurav

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