Hunting with airguns

[eljefe]

Yaj, more than spleen & liver, its the kidneys! a bit short on the 'lead' and if the kidneys are hit, its as dramatic as a head shot-just switch off-pouff!

[Yaj]

Yaj, more than spleen & liver, its the kidneys! a bit short on the 'lead' and if the kidneys are hit, its as dramatic as a head shot-just switch off-pouff!

Exactly Asif! In an animal that small there are plenty of vitals in that area to do some serious damage!
Regards,
Yaj.

[snIPer]

Shot this here vermin with a .177 IHP. One head shot at 15 feet is all that it took.
Sorry about the bad pic as it was taken in the dead of night with a mobile.

[dev]

While airgun hunting I think one would prefer to go for a head shot, factoring in the higher chances of a miss. So the guy goes free if you muck up the shot rather than suffering. Cause none of us are in such desperate need for food and would in theory be hunting for sport.

Regards,

Dev

[Yaj]

Cause none of us are in such desperate need for food and would in theory be hunting for sport.

Regards,

Dev

Are you of the opinion that "hunting for meat" is only right if one was in desperate need of it?
Regards,
Yaj.

[eljefe]

Yup, when atavastic instincts are taking a snooze!

[Yaj]

So hypothetically i f i was in a country where shooting deer is legal and i felt like harvesting venison for myself and friends and family I would be wrong to do so.On the other hand if I felt my "sporting" credentials needed a fillip and i needed a set of antlers on my wall I would be justifed in going out and bagging one?

There has got to be something wrong with this mindset!
Regards,
Yaj.

[Yaj]

Some additional info on the woodchuck/caliber topic.

http://www.velocitypress.com/Woodchucks.shtml

Yaj.

[eljefe]

Yaj, I think Dev implied the hunting opportunities , or lack of in India. From the game perspective, it has always been prudent (and humane ) to be the fastest with the mostest.If its rats and bandicoots-its pset control-do your thing.
I'm guessing airgunners have better sense of precision and shot placement.
As for the atavastic part, IT IS! the hunter instinct kicking in, whether its for trophy or for the meat.
I've done just that...pics and horns.Gave the meat away to a worthy cause.

[dev]

Hi YAJ,
The topic is hunting with airguns and we are talking small game. Secondly, most of us don't have the privellege to hunt being banned etc. So I don't know what you are talking about. Secondly, if you were to use an air rifle on small game it is our duty to kill as cleanly as we can. Anyway i am not laying down the bible just what i believe in. So no barbs were aimed at you or anyone else for that matter just an opinion. I have been on antelope hunts in my teen years and though it seemed exciting then, looking at a deer with the lungs sticking out from the exit hole of a 30 06 wound ended it all for me.

Regards,

Dev

[sunilssn]

Dear Yaj,
You can get a BIG game licence for wildbore restricted to 3 pe month from RFO at Nagathane on NH17 and u can renew ur old big game licence also.

[Yaj]

Hi YAJ,
The topic is hunting with airguns and we are talking small game. Secondly, most of us don't have the privellege to hunt being banned etc. So I don't know what you are talking about. Secondly, if you were to use an air rifle on small game it is our duty to kill as cleanly as we can. Anyway i am not laying down the bible just what i believe in. So no barbs were aimed at you or anyone else for that matter just an opinion. I have been on antelope hunts in my teen years and though it seemed exciting then, looking at a deer with the lungs sticking out from the exit hole of a 30 06 wound ended it all for me.
Regards,

Dev

Dev don't get me wrong, no personal slight was even imagined.Since we are talking of hunting in India which we know is illegal.
As for the clean kill obviously that is a given,in fact that is why i was very eager to know from those more experienced than me as to what would constitute one.
My bone of contention was your statement:
"Cause none of us are in such desperate need for food and would in theory be hunting for sport"
Hunting being illegal in India it is just an academic debate but I beg to differ with you on that one in principle. I think hunting for meat makes as much sense if not more than hunting for sport(as in trophy).

Asif, i hope I explained myself.I was just being my obtuse self
Regards,
Yaj.

[Grumpy]

The .17HMR 17 gr V-Max is very frangible and highly unlikely to pass through an animals carcase. The energy transferred is remarkable and even with a head shot, considerable bruising of the carcase around the upper body will be found. The V-Max is excellent for vermin control but not ideal for hunting
The 20 gr XTP is a very different bullet and much better for hunting `for the pot` as the bullet stays largely intact and doesn`t fragment into loads of tiny pieces. Penetration is far superior to the V-Max but energy transfer is obviously adequte as I once shot three rabbits with one bullet and all three dropped where they sat. That sounds like a hunting `tall story` but is absolutely true.
Something else that sounds like a tall story is the inherent accuracy of the .17HMR - my CZ 452 Varmint would group Hornady 17 gr XTPs in 1" @ 200 yards, .55" @ 100 yards.

[Yaj]

Dear Yaj,
You can get a BIG game licence for wildbore restricted to 3 pe month from RFO at Nagathane on NH17 and u can renew ur old big game licence also.

No such luck mate No fire arms here.

The .17HMR 17 gr V-Max is very frangible and highly unlikely to pass through an animals carcase. The energy transferred is remarkable and even with a head shot, considerable bruising of the carcase around the upper body will be found. The V-Max is excellent for vermin control but not ideal for hunting
The 20 gr XTP is a very different bullet and much better for hunting `for the pot` as the bullet stays largely intact and doesn`t fragment into loads of tiny pieces. Penetration is far superior to the V-Max but energy transfer is obviously adequte as I once shot three rabbits with one bullet and all three dropped where they sat. That sounds like a hunting `tall story` but is absolutely true.
Something else that sounds like a tall story is the inherent accuracy of the .17HMR - my CZ 452 Varmint would group Hornady 17 gr XTPs in 1" @ 200 yards, .55" @ 100 yards.

Thanks for the clarification and info Grumpy.A hat trick no less !

Regards,
Yaj.

[Mack The Knife]

Thanks, Grumpy.

Mack The Knife