[Issue] Purchased Precihole NX Scorpius - Not Satisfied

[ganeshn]

@ganeshn - I do not have access to any precision tools to measure the dimensions of the pellets this accurately. Will try to get a vernier caliper soon to do these measurements and then share it.

can u post closeup(1:5 at least) image of the pellets in different orientations, do not use flash.

[estousandy]

Arvind, I like what you say about the IHP. It's a damn good air rifle right outta the box, in most cases. Especially the .177 in the accuracy department. Highlight is it responds just perfect to tuning & feels so good to the hold, nothing cheap in there. I never felt the need to look beyond my IHP so far, & might never will. It cocks smooth, shoots so good & hits hard almost everytime depending on 'n' variables.

That said, Precihole is supposed to be more than a generation above the IHP overall. They did succeed too in updating the scene. I don't think they could've done that with ill designed guns. Maybe you got a lemon or PH is slipping up.

Try a custom wood stock like Briha did. It'll help the 'feel' factor. Replace sights or keep the scope & find that 'perfect' pellet are all that you need to feel okay again. There's no going back now if you intent to keep it.

[bennedose]

Unfortunately my own IHP 35 came will all sorts of irritating niggles and near fatal flaws that I have posted on here from time to time. Among the IHP 35s defects that I faced are:
1. a pin holding the cocking level falling out or slipping out and damaging the wood of the stock
2. side screws that wore out in less than one year requiring replacement and
3. failure of welding of the screw mounts which rendered the rifle inoperable.
4. But the worst fault of all remains impossible to correct - and that is a tendency to shoot so far to the left that it cannot be corrected even by adjusting the windage screw to its furthest position. The only solution was to find some particular brand of pellets that worked.

Compared to the IHP, my Orion has fewer niggles but is definitely not without faults - but at least the faults are tolerable because of accuracy, power and butter-smooth cocking.

Compared to these two higher priced rifles my "cheap" Rs 4,500 SDB 65 is a dream. It's power and accuracy equal the Orion and are superior to the IHP. It came tuned up but the seller (Kovibazaar) tole me that he gets his boys to do some basic tuning like adjusting sights. The rifle was shooting dead center from day 1 with MS wadcutter. However the SDB sounds like a constipated cow while cocking and cocking effort is like a constipated cow taking a dump. The trigger pull effort is large but I am used to it. It's sights are a dream and it comes with a peep sight.

I think IHP and Precihole are not to be recommended for the first time buyer who I believe should really go for cheaper rifles like SDB which are reliable and cause less heartburn when the inevitable faults start showing up. Ultimately it is less about the brand of rifle and more about how satisfied the shooter is with his weapon. Any person who falls in love with the sport will surely end up buying more rifles or pistols later on life when he is better equipped to make a judgement about what he wants. Air rifle shooting/plinking is one of the cheaper sports which requires a lower first time investment and buying the most expensive rifle available is not a necessary precondition.

[estousandy]

Benne, i know about the issues you faced with your IHP. That's why i mentioned 'in most cases'. That was for you.

[Basu]

I believe that IHP National is a damn good AR if tuned.
I set my National 25 in order after three tunings.Since then it was a nice baby.
SDB , if tuned , by far the best gun I ever fired.
Expectation from Preci is got to be high , which the Co.need to address seriously.

Basu

[brihacharan]

Dear Ultimate Sniper!!!
> Your tale of woe about Precihole's NX100 is very palpable
> The 'funda' about ARs is "To Each His Own"
< ARs come in many shapes, sizes & looks....one has to choose what what one likes, fits,prefers etc...to shoot at targets, plink or hunt...
> It's rather unfortunate that your Preci NX100 did not fit your bill....
> Pellets are another 'bag of tricks' ...not all brands suit an AR....you have to try several & settle for the one that your AR accepts the best....this is an universal malady with ARs....
> I suggest that you speak to Precihole Sports & state your problems & am sure with what little personal experience I've had with them - They will address them & rectify your issues....
> Finally....I wish to state that I have no personal interest in Precihole Sports nor do I hold a brief for them....
> But would suffice it to say that "My Precihole NX100 was the 1st one out of their manufacturing unit" & its nearly 2 years since I've been shooting with it & over 2500 pellets have gone through it....!!!
> Believe me I've had no complaints till date worth the mention....May be I've been lucky
> Like I mentioned earlier - please take up your issues with them & get them solved....
> Best Luck....
Briha

[ganeshn]

i feel we are unknowingly assuming that the AR is the source of the issue.
i guess the variations in pellets dimension is far more than than that of the caliber of an AR due to different mfg. tolerances involved.

@Ultimate Sniper, the pellets are made by G Smith for Precihole Sports which makes decent pellets, even though there are variation in the pellet but not so bad as described, we need to rule out that the pellets aren't bad first copy, the reason i requested you to post the close up images.Only the facts can make the experts here help you better.

Finally....I wish to state that I have no personal interest in Precihole Sports nor do I hold a brief for them....

me too...

[kshitij]

So let me get this straight, you started a diffetent thread detailing the "decision making points" and possible demerits of the precihole gas ram system. You didnt appear to be fully convinced about the assurance of current users that the gas system is as good as if not better than the spring systems.
Then you went to a store, saw the fit, finish and feel of the Precihole (dont know if you tried to shoot a few pellets too) before buying it. Then with all your analysis done, you decided to buy the rifle.
Then you came home and wrote a long post about how the fit and finish of the rifle is sub standard, how the ergonomics doesnt suit you, how the trigger is bad etc etc.
My question to you my friend is, after so much delibration and first hand experience in the shop, why did you decide to buy this product at all? And after deciding to buy it anyways over looking all the flaws you have listed out, why the big rant as if all of it came as a surprise to you?

The entire sequence of events dazzles my understanding

Hope you find peace with what you deliberately decided to buy and what many of us have come to love for its quality and accuracy.

I too have no vested interest in precihole other than being a happy customer enjoying what i paid for.

Cheers brother

[dev]

I too have a Scorpious and while it did have a little rust inside, it was spot on with open sights. I find the trigger a little creepy but it is lighter than my old IHP. Scoped it with an old Bushnell Sportsman 3X 32 and it shoots dime sized groups at ten or so meters provided I manage my hold and trigger. I just don't like a gas ram or springer as such after using a Co2 powered air rifle for some five or six years. So as a rifle I don't have much against it. It is a marked improvement on the IHP 35 I had for years. I will get the trigger tuned a little more and then decide if this is a keeper or should I try to get another qb 78 in. Oh mine is easy to cock, I can break and cock it at one go. The Crosman Premiers are a tight fit but give single hole groups. Otherwise Mastershot Export Quality seem to be the perfect match for this rifle.

Regards,

Dev

[bennedose]

I am waiting for the day when an Indian manufacturer has a "wake up and smell the coffee" moment and decides to acquire a 1 inch thick plate of deal wood and figure out just how many Joules (or fpe for the qyoon of England's subjects) will penetrate that deal wood block and make an air rifle just under the limit. I suspect that the actual power required to go through 1 inch deal wood is a lot more than "Her Majesty's 12 fpe" that is being advertised by Indian air rifle makers. I can't see why they must do that.

I am sure there is scope to play with the stroke length and volume in a springer (or a Gas ram). We could have some interesting times if manufacturers actually were aroused from coma.

I saw one YouTube video (which I find difficult to believe) that the power needed to penetrate 1 inch Pine wood (deal wood is pine wood) is Her Majesty's 59 fpe. Only a manufacturer who has a thinking cap to put on would be able to enlarge the receiver and try out higher power rifles and inform the underinformed Indian public about the meaning of the deal wood test in Joules (or her Majesty's fpe)

[kshitij]

I am waiting for the day when an Indian manufacturer has a "wake up and smell the coffee" moment and decides to acquire a 1 inch thick plate of deal wood and figure out just how many Joules (or fpe for the qyoon of England's subjects) will penetrate that deal wood block and make an air rifle just under the limit. I suspect that the actual power required to go through 1 inch deal wood is a lot more than "Her Majesty's 12 fpe" that is being advertised by Indian air rifle makers. I can't see why they must do that.

I believe every manufacturer has to do the deal wood test before a product is released in the market to prove that the said air rifle is legal And maybe some of them have in fact figured out what is the limit to clear the deal wood test.

My precihole nx100 in .22 does 600fps with the JSB exact 15.89grain pellet at the muzzle. This roughly translates into 12fpe. With 12fpe at the muzzle, i should effectively get about 10fpe at 35yards and 8.8 fpe at 50yards.

Now, I am satisfied with this for the following reasons:

1. That kind of power is sufficient for me to happily plink at ranges of 35 to 50yards without much worry of possible damage by stray pellets. (Though i tend to ensure all safety measures even with a meek CO2 pellet pistol)

2. This much power is sufficient to make eggs explode, break glass bottles, puncture beer cans etc etc while still being accurate enough to have 1 inch groups at 35 yards.

3. It doesnt take much effort to cock these rifles.
I have shot magnum springers(20fpe plus) and they are no fun after about the 10th consecutive shot, out in the sun. Plus they do not substantially add to maximum range (50yards) to which i can accurately shoot a non pcp air rifle.

4. The onus rests more with the manufacturer to prove the legality of the product. Hence I have some peace of mind with an Indian made air rifle with all the necessary approvals.

I am sure there is scope to play with the stroke length and volume in a springer (or a Gas ram). We could have some interesting times if manufacturers actually were aroused from coma.

I saw one YouTube video (which I find difficult to believe) that the power needed to penetrate 1 inch Pine wood (deal wood is pine wood) is Her Majesty's 59 fpe. Only a manufacturer who has a thinking cap to put on would be able to enlarge the receiver and try out higher power rifles and inform the underinformed Indian public about the meaning of the deal wood test in Joules (or her Majesty's fpe)

I doubt the 59fpe video. Highly skeptical that the pellet cannot go through an 1inch of pine wood at 10 feet with that power.

I do agree that it may be possible that rifles of even slightly higher power may well pass the deal wood test. But what i am not sure about is, is any more power going to be fun in a springer or gas ram air rifle? It is like tweaking a 1 liter engine to put out 200hp in a car you'd want to use everyday.

I would rather suggest that people looking for more power head the PCP way. Just like i feel a high power springer or gas ram is no point, a low power pcp is no point.

I am with you on the view that manufacturers explore the maximum legal power, just not with their springers but their PCPs...

[Ultimate Sniper]

@Ultimate Sniper, the pellets are made by G Smith for Precihole Sports which makes decent pellets, even though there are variation in the pellet but not so bad as described, we need to rule out that the pellets aren't bad first copy, the reason i requested you to post the close up images.Only the facts can make the experts here help you better.

Maybe you got a lemon or PH is slipping up.

@estousandy - Well may be a combination of both. I called up the Precihole team today. They were really responsive and seemed like they want to help. They also mentioned that there are a few complaints coming up these days and they are also concerned about the quality of their pellets. They even said that the dimensions and quality of the pellets they get these days from the vendor (G-Smith in this case) is of not good quality. I hope this would address the whole episode of loose pellets in the breech.

@kshitij - I was kind of expecting this from you; Please see my inline comments highlighted.

So let me get this straight, you started a different thread detailing the "decision making points" and possible demerits of the precihole gas ram system. You didnt appear to be fully convinced about the assurance of current users that the gas system is as good as if not better than the spring systems.
# Yes, I agree that I had my share of doubts and inhibitions about the Scorpius and after careful deliberation, took the decision to take the chance. But if you see the other thread, you would notice that most of the members here as well suggested me to go with it. And ofcourse the new technology and stuff lured me into it as well. Had I chosen to go with springer, I would have went the bennedose way by choosing SDB2000, it really had all I wanted, I might still do that a few months down the line. And let me add, I was not saying against PH at any point except for the contemplation of Spring vs Gas Ram as the topic itself says "Precihole Scorpius - Decision Making Points?". It was talking about my thought process and taking comments on buying Scorpius. And the issue in hand is no where related this, so I do not think this point of yours is valid for an argument.

Then you went to a store, saw the fit, finish and feel of the Precihole (dont know if you tried to shoot a few pellets too) before buying it. Then with all your analysis done, you decided to buy the rifle.
# Now coming to my complaints about the fit and finish, I was well aware of this fact and was ready to accept it and had mentioned it in the other thread too. But in my first post of this thread I had mentioned that I could not fire many pellets (only did 2) and check the compatibility of the AR with me as it was raining and the terrace was the only place to take a shot. I feel sorry for that now.

Then you came home and wrote a long post about how the fit and finish of the rifle is sub standard, how the ergonomics doesnt suit you, how the trigger is bad etc etc.
My question to you my friend is, after so much deliberation and first hand experience in the shop, why did you decide to buy this product at all? And after deciding to buy it anyways over looking all the flaws you have listed out, why the big rant as if all of it came as a surprise to you?
# Let me clarify one thing - I have never said that the trigger is bad in PH, please read my post properly.

The entire sequence of events dazzles my understanding
# I would not have complained if the AR was not having the cardinal mistake of sights and shooting above target. I would have made peace with all the niggles. And if you had read my post, you would have noticed that I had no choice there as that was the only stock available in black. I drove 25KMs in hell lot of traffic for more than 2hrs (one side) to reach the store and did not want to spend another day for this.
Yes the sighting issues really took me by surprise. My friend, you tell me how you would feel if your new AR doesnt shoot where you intend to, after spending 12.5K. I have my rights to open up and share my thoughts and frustrations.

Hope you find peace with what you deliberately decided to buy and what many of us have come to love for its quality and accuracy.

I too have no vested interest in precihole other than being a happy customer enjoying what i paid for.

Cheers brother

I hope once the PH team replaces the rear sights (or whatever fix they suggests) and try another set of pellets my problem with hitting the right place in target would be addressed as well. All the other issues I have are pardonable.

-Arvind S.

[kshitij]

Tell you what buddy, i have my rear sight which i have no use for since i only shoot with the scope. I'd love to send it over if that is all that is required to sort your rifle out

[Ultimate Sniper]

Tell you what buddy, i have my rear sight which i have no use for since i only shoot with the scope. I'd love to send it over if that is all that is required to sort your rifle out

I would be more than happy to accept, so long as its the scope you are sending me in...

-Arvind S.

[kshitij]

If only the world worked like that... Offer for the open sights shall remain open
Happy Shooting.