Indian Airgunner's HOT pinup calender for 2014

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Re: Indian Airgunner's HOT pinup calender for 2014

Post by TC » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:55 am

Hi Guys,
> Had a long & illuminating chat with Dr. Shirsat this morning... He was very clear & emphatic when he said:
1. The British laid down the statute of 'Deal-wood Test' to limit the power of Air Guns not to exceed the 12 foot pound limit...
2. BTW - Deal-Wood is a Scandinavian Pine Wood which for reason best known to them was selected as the medium for testing Air Guns...
3. As there are no exact specifications of the density of Deal Wood - they vary in the local stuff available for testing.
4. The test consisted of firing "Various Kinds" of pellets from an Air Gun - the distance between the muzzle & Deal-Wood being "5ft".
5. This statute was enacted over half a century ago & continues to be upheld even after the British left our country.
6. The Indian Forensic department follows this statute 'verbatim' & expects all Indian manufacturers of Air Gun to conform to this.
7. In view of the above manufacturers do not want to overstep this limitation & get penalized.
> Finally the Forensic Department does not encourage manufacturers to challenge this statute in any manner.
> It is sincerely requested that we abstain from debating this issue further, to not catch the attention of those who are bent upon issuing licences to Air Guns & kill the joy of possessing an Air Gun for the pleasure of target shooting or plinking.
Briha
Thank you Brihaji,
I knew about the British legacy of the dead wood test but never heard about the Scandinavian pine. Coming from you and Dr Shirsat this is indeed enriching.
And I completely agree with your final note.

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Re: Indian Airgunner's HOT pinup calender for 2014

Post by Kumarnishith » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:54 pm

Ok..just had a chat with the Precihole sports sales executive...a very nice, patient, helpful & soft spoken lady..Guess what!!! They are planning to come up with a PCP Air Rifle :cheers: but that gonna take a year or so..A springer & a Nitro Piston Air Pistol is also in the pipeline & it is going to be available real soon..May be a month or so..As Briha Sir rightly clarified that they are not planning of launching any air gun in wooden stock...it's a synthetic stock only but tastefully polished in 'wood finish'..Nevertheless it's a great effort by an Indian manufacturer..All the best to them...

Btw, after seeing the 'Karbine' I am having serious doubts about my earlier plans of importing a 'Videshi' air rifle :mrgreen:
Agreed Precihole 'Karbine' is just a 12 fpe gun but then is it really worth to spend 3-4 times the money on a videshi springer for an extra 4-6 fpe especially when there is a ban on hunting in India :roll:


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P.s. Am going a bit off topic here but I would love to see someone compare Precihole NX 100 series air gun in .177 (Polaris) with an imported air gun (RWS 34, Benjamin Trail NP, Gamo etc) at 30yds & 40yds respectively.. :D

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Post by essdee1972 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:16 am

It is sincerely requested that we abstain from debating this issue further, to not catch the attention of those who are bent upon issuing licences to Air Guns & kill the joy of possessing an Air Gun for the pleasure of target shooting or plinking.
:agree:

By the way, the calendars are shipped through registered post. I believe shipping registered post takes some 50-60 INR within the same city (which is why I normally send scanned copies over e-mail :twisted: ). By doing this, and that too not for a select list of "premium customers" like most companies, but for ALL those who register at the site, Dr. Shirsat and Precihole have set new standards in corporate communications. I hope some of the other companies follow suit! I would love to, for example, receive a hard copy Ferrari calendar!! (can't put up the Kingfisher one, better half is watching!! :twisted: :twisted: )

The usual disclaimer applies about me being just a delighted customer of Precihole (and a fan) and not a shareholder or advertiser, etc.
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Post by supershaji » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:36 pm

essdee1972 wrote:
The usual disclaimer applies about me being just a delighted customer of Precihole (and a fan) and not a shareholder or advertiser, etc.
here's something I really wouldn't mind associating myself with, as a shareholder and/or advertiser!

and yes, the calenders are for all patrons who register their Precihole rifles on the official website.
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Post by brihacharan » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:10 pm

Hi najad,
> Thanks for sharing... awesome images :D
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Post by TC » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:08 pm

Agreed Precihole 'Karbine' is just a 12 fpe gun but then is it really worth to spend 3-4 times the money on a videshi springer for an extra 4-6 fpe especially when there is a ban on hunting in India :roll:
Nishith the extra fps is not just for hunting. Its give you the extra range (with precision) you need to make long distance target shooting with an air rifle worthwhile - something that also makes use of scopes justified and not just addition of a glamour quotient like those models with pretty faces we see in Najad's link.
No offense to any member or manufacturer but it is really pointless putting up a scope on an AR that cant push a pellet in a straight line beyond 50/60 feet depending on caliber, pellet weight, wind speed etc. Most people can see the bulls eye on a target paper with naked eye at that distance and there is no extra point for playing sniper with ants. Purely my old school view.

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Re: Indian Airgunner's HOT pinup calender for 2014

Post by Safarigent » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:37 pm

With all due respect to Brihacharan as a senior member, it goes against the grain of IFG not to discuss something to protect our interests. By saying so on a public forum, we are telling a sensationalist that we are hiding things. The law is the law and the victory against the antis was won there. If there is false propaganda that one is afraid of, this is surely not the way to go about remedying it.

I think the deal wood test is daft.
And the people who are happy with it, vis a vis the forensics deptt and the govt are as daft.
If we dont rail against it how will someone change it one day?
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Post by GNV » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:14 am

I had a pleasant and totally unexpected surprise yesterday morning when the postman delivered a Regd Parcel from Precihole Sports which was sent on 30th Jan-2014 and I received it on 5-2-2014. The funny thing is I registered on their website for a copy of their calender on 4-2-2014 and to be frank I am not sure whether they would consider my request because I purchased my two ORIONS from aimco.co.in, one in DEC,2012. and another in Feb,2013. A BIG THANK YOU Precihole Sports for not forgetting your earlier customers and sending me a complimentary copy of your 2014 calendar even before my request for it. Thank You.

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Post by Shrikar Sawant » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:19 am

everyone present, please i need your help regarding buying a precihole from aimco.com.
what is the mode of payment (as no cash on delivery avliable).do they accept debit cards for online payment???
and what are your reviews regarding the service of "aimco". M living in maharashtra and howm much time do they take to send the gun???

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Post by brihacharan » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:17 am

GNV wrote:I had a pleasant and totally unexpected surprise yesterday morning when the postman delivered a Regd Parcel from Precihole Sports which was sent on 30th Jan-2014 and I received it on 5-2-2014. The funny thing is I registered on their website for a copy of their calender on 4-2-2014 and to be frank I am not sure whether they would consider my request because I purchased my two ORIONS from aimco.co.in, one in DEC,2012. and another in Feb,2013. A BIG THANK YOU Precihole Sports for not forgetting your earlier customers and sending me a complimentary copy of your 2014 calendar even before my request for it. Thank You.
> A BIG THANK YOU Precihole Sports for not forgetting your earlier customers and sending me a complimentary copy of your 2014 calendar even before my request for it. Thank You.

> If the above is an example of "Customer Care" - rest assured great things are in store for AR lovers :D
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Post by supershaji » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:36 pm

Shrikar Sawant wrote:everyone present, please i need your help regarding buying a precihole from aimco.com.
what is the mode of payment (as no cash on delivery avliable).do they accept debit cards for online payment???
and what are your reviews regarding the service of "aimco". M living in maharashtra and howm much time do they take to send the gun???
You can select your items to purchase and put them in the cart and proceed to checkout on the aimco site.

In the process you can choose to use bank deposit and proceed with order. An order number will be generated. You will also be furnished with aimco's banking details in order to make an online transfer or make a deposit in their bank account manually.

Email aimco the details of the payment along with the order number, and the order is on its way.

Aimco normally delivers in 4 days.

For Maharashtra, the shipment will attract octroi tax, which will be collected by the courier service upon delivery.

All the best.
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Post by GNV » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:44 am

Dear Brihaji,
my above post is not an example of the "Customer Care" of Precihole Sports. But what I am giving below is definitely an example of their Customer Care. I purchased my first ORION from aimco.co.in in the last week of DEC 2012 and received it in the first week of JAN 2013.It is from one of the earlier series bearing a serial no: AB00429 and was suffering from the initial teething problems as we all know.The problems with my ORION were that the safety was not engaging automatically, ( later I learned that aimco is selling PH air guns with manual safeties only and I also know the reason why aimco is opting for manual safeties instead of auto safeties.), the second issue was with the Trigger Shoe fastening screw which was getting loose after firing a few shots and turning sideways ( I fixed this issue using a little Loktite ) but the worst fault was that the scope mounting grooves were not machined to the correct specifications of 11 mm dovetail mounting rails because of which I was unable to fix a scope on my first ORION. I should have sent the air gun to Precihole Factory for a replacement. But as I live in a small town in the countryside of the state of Andhra Pradesh and sending the gun to PH factory in THANE, in Maharashtra and waiting for the replacement to arrive would take considerable time I foolishly decided to try and rectify the faulty mounting rails myself using a DREMEL Moto Tool and a cutting disc ( I fully knew that doing this would void the company warranty ) and SUCCESSFULLY RUINED the receiver tube itself COMPLETELY. I still could use the gun with the open sights but I had to use a scope to shoot at targets beyond 10 yards because of my bad eye site. The end result was I had a brand new ORION in my hands and I could not use it for field shooting which is my primary need. So I e-mailed Dr.Shirsat about what I had done and requested him if he would consider selling a spare receiver to me and offering to pay for it and freight charges.At that time Doctorji was in Bangalore attending some business seminars. Even then he took the pains to answer my e-mail at midnight after finishing his business sessions. He informed me that the scope mounting rails being faulty was due to the machinist not following the specifications and also told me that the receivers and barrels are matched and hand fitted together and are not interchangeable. However he told me to my utter delight and amazement that if I would send the action of the gun to their factory in Thane, they would very happily replace the receiver and send the action back to me FREE OF COST.
Happily I removed the rifle action from the stock, made a strong durable custom box using coroplast sheets which I have (as I am also into RC aeromodelling) at hand along with thermocole sheets on all sides to protect the gun, covered the box with thick cloth backed paper sheeting and sent the package by courier service declaring it as sports equipment to Precihole sports PVT Ltd, Thane. Only to receive the package back from the courier stating that the address was not found after 10 days. I called the PH company and the company's contact person Mrs. Anjum A.Qazi told me that their address is not that hard to find and advised me to provide their contact phone number and factory working hours details along with the address to the courier company. I did that and sent the package again. This time the package reached their address safely. Mrs Anjum acknowledged that by calling me but informed me that the production of ORION ARs were temporarily stopped to implement some changes in the design to rectify the initial problems experienced by the customers and that production would resume in the last week of March 2013 and they would send my gun as soon as the production starts again. I thanked them for their effort.
Being an impatient guy by birth I decided to by another ORION from aimco and purchased it in FEB,2013. This time I knew that the safety would be a manual one, don't know about the trigger blade screw which is not a big issue to correct but hoping that the scope mounting rails would be of correct specifications. Which proved to be correct. It is an AC xxxxx series gun. Right now I don't remember the serial number because I kept it at my farm and I am a bit lazy to find the warranty card of that gun right now to find out its sl.no. I received the action of my first ORION in the second week of March,2013, instead of last week of March,2013. much earlier than they said they would be able to send it to me. AND they sent it Freight PREPAID. AND my action came back fitted with auto safety lever, the bigger trigger blade fastening allen bolt which eliminated the earlier fault and of course correct scope mounting rails.

"NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL CUSTOMER CARE."

The most important thing is they seem to listen to what their customers want and need. Between JAN,2013 and March,2013 , I pestered Dr.Shirsat with a lot of e-mails. I asked him to make available an exploded view diagram of their rifle available on their website to which he replied that they are already in the process of doing that. I asked him to start their own online shop, to which he replied that they don't have the resources to do that presently and that they prefer to sell their products through dealer network. Then I requested him to at least make spring piston air gun lubricants like moly-grease which are required in small quantities only to lubricate an air gun spring and metal bearing areas like barrel pivoting area etc, which are currently available in India from select online sellers only, but only in large quantities only which is quite expensive. What I mean is moly grease in small quantities enough to lubricate a gun two or three times. And he told me that they would consider my suggestion. I am more than happy for that. They are already making available replacement springs and piston seals through their dealer network. What more can we ask them?

Still I am not satisfied with PH air guns about a couple things.
1. Barrel Drooping: Both my ORIONS suffer from this to some extent. I don't know if this is completely rectified or not in the current models rolling out of the factory.
2. Even though PH is the one and only Indian Company offering an adjustable trigger which is better than the rest of the guns without adjustable triggers manufactured in India, it is not as good as it should be. Adjusting it to one's liking is a pain in the xxx in my opinion.

BUT STILL I AM A DIE HARD PRECIHOLE AIR GUN FAN.

PS: I also wish Precihole starts using choked barrels which I strongly believe increases long range accuracy, because I don't believe German air gun manufacturers like Weihrauch, Anschutz, RWS,etc use choked barrels just for the fun of it.

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Post by essdee1972 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:06 am

GNV, you would be happy to know that Precihole has brought out moly grease in small tubs (same size as the pellet box). I don't know whether this is in the market (i.e. all dealers), but some of us did see the stuff at the factory. That small box should take care of a few years' worth of shooting ARs!
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Post by brihacharan » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:42 am

GNV wrote.... "NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL CUSTOMER CARE - I AM A DIE HARD PRECIHOLE AIR GUN FAN" :D

> It must be truly reassuring for all those at Precihole, that their customers are cared for....
> If one only cares to browse through some overseas gun forums - there are several complaints about even internationally well known brands of ARs....
> Well that's another issue altogether... As long as one's problems get redressed - it's value for money at the end of the day :D
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