Precihole Offerings

[Biren]

Wat kind of replies are these... where a person uses words "JERK.. BUMS or statements like "(Mundaire Sir, I know you have your hands full with the one 'munda' that runs to you every now and then. That actually reminds me of Mahabharat where Arjun had to hide behind someone to launch arrows at Pratik, err, Bhishma. ) and their nannies - " for fellow members.. Who is hiding behind whom?

I had in one thread had asked one question " Can it be tuned ?" and wat all replies i got? There are readers who would be interested in participating in competion. Let me ask can .177 of precholie be used in competitions..?

About VAT registration, i had asked one dealer here in delhi and he flately told me this company as on date does not have VAT registration and asked me to wait. If the co as on date does not have VAT registration write so or if you are not aware then say so.. why give instances that others donnt pay taxes?

I am not talking about others but yes i am curious about the air rifle. How does it feel? how it shoots? and appreciate honest answers. There are members who wrote nice enlightening reviews. Safety is a good feature. Synthetic stock in humid condition is also well thought of.

Then there was this discussion about deal wood test... and what a reply.... has police clearence.. seen x by x square wooden pieces in the testing area.. Come on if you donnt know then keep quite.. or get back after confirming with the manufacturer.

All this will help and if this AR is actually good, then the work will speak for it self and stop calling ppl JERKS, BUMs etc?

Rgds,
Biren

[tiwariarrun]

You're right, Biren. These guys have been using funny language since day one here. I had mentioned earlier that the decorum of the forum is lost because of such guys. It clearly reflects the upbringing of such guys. There's no point arguing. Waste of time.


Dear Tiwari Arun,

From day one of the precihole offering, you have done nothing but raise negative questions. You have been reporting the Japaloupe meet for a single mention of the name of the airgun. so far you have contributed nothing positive to any of threads. Your conduct has been surprisingly akin to that of an airgun manufacturing rival. So if you decide to keep quite and not waste time, it will be quite a plus to the thread.

Regards,

Mod.

[airgun_novice]

Wat kind of replies are these... where a person uses words "JERK.. BUMS or statements like "(Mundaire Sir, I know you have your hands full with the one 'munda' that runs to you every now and then. That actually reminds me of Mahabharat where Arjun had to hide behind someone to launch arrows at Pratik, err, Bhishma. ) and their nannies - " for fellow members.. Who is hiding behind whom?

I had in one thread had asked one question " Can it be tuned ?" and wat all replies i got? There are readers who would be interested in participating in competion. Let me ask can .177 of precholie be used in competitions..?

About VAT registration, i had asked one dealer here in delhi and he flately told me this company as on date does not have VAT registration and asked me to wait. If the co as on date does not have VAT registration write so or if you are not aware then say so.. why give instances that others donnt pay taxes?

I am not talking about others but yes i am curious about the air rifle. How does it feel? how it shoots? and appreciate honest answers. There are members who wrote nice enlightening reviews. Safety is a good feature. Synthetic stock in humid condition is also well thought of.

Then there was this discussion about deal wood test... and what a reply.... has police clearence.. seen x by x square wooden pieces in the testing area.. Come on if you donnt know then keep quite.. or get back after confirming with the manufacturer.

All this will help and if this AR is actually good, then the work will speak for it self and stop calling ppl JERKS, BUMs etc?

Rgds,
Biren

Biren, I am the sort of person who calls a spade a spade - if one acts like a jerk wrt me - that's what I see and call. I speak the language I have been spoken to, albeit in English. Of course, sometimes I might have spoken an extra word or two in that same language but have always deferred to the wishes of the Mods to keep things cool. I do not hold any personal grudge against you or anyone, nor do I mark anyone as friend or foe but neither do I take partially undigested or rejected semi-solid food stuff from those who have absolutely no idea which end of alimentary tract it gets jettisoned from.

Now if you want to know bunch of technical things or manufacturing processes ask the manufacturer. Or add what all Brihji/ Pratik/ lazybones/ FF et al have contributed - that should give you a tidy basket of info; if you happen to read without prejudice. Wanna tune the AR ? Go ahead bro - buy one; then it's yours. Use it, tune it, wreck it - you are its owner. If you want to know if a particular AR can be tuned or not or whatever then buy one and fine out - who stops you ? Should you end up with Pegasus and succeed in tuning it further - do so and share with us. Of course anything can be modified - Brihji's working on a wooden stock for his PH Orion. Not that he has trouble with the Synthetic one. It's his hobby and his bucks. Good luck to him.

BTW, why should I keep quiet about what I saw ? Read again - it's a no-brainer. If the PC who is supposed to be well-aware about what a deal wood test is gets the ARs tested and approves the production then the logical conclusion is the ARs have passed the deal wood test. My observation that deal wood blocks were seen available in test area of PH would throw possibilities that deal wood test does get carried on even now that the AR is in production and/ or whosoever is privileged to be admitted there can try it out of he so wishes. My pointing out that observational fact is akin to Mundaire pointing out finer aspects of Deal Wood Test for greater audience. Get it ?

Wrt VAT, is your dealer a spokeperson for PH to tell if they have VAT or not. Ask the Co. directly. Just interested in knowing if that dealer publishes or posts his tax returns statement ? How does VAT and tax statements of a producer affect quality or performance of a product in hands of end-user ? If the Q is whether VAT is charged or not - please see my earlier response where I am categorically stated that not only VAT, but also Excise and Edu Cess have been noted in my receipt. Just to give it further thought, do we know 1. When did the sales start ? 2. When was the money from dealer received ? 3. Is the exclusive VAT # in company possession or is it still a WIP ? 4. What is the legal permissible time frame for a Co to accrue and pay off the VAT or other taxes ? Let PH/ GOI/ GoMH worry about their taxes - let us simply enjoy shooting.

To answer your Q, PH .177 (Club and Pegasus) can be used in competition either as OS or Peep (after affixing the sights. Dovetail's provided for that.) I have not shot nor do I shoot PS, but it's doable.

Clouds parted ? Air cleared ?

[tarat]

Called up the Karnataka dealer @ the no. mentioned in Precihole's site. Turned out to be a wrong no. It was the Hydrabad dealer's no. He called back and said that he had asked Precihole to correct it. 2 mins later I checked, and indeed his no. had been taken off. Only thing is, the correct number was not published at all. Bummer.

[azharscar]

Just had a word with PS. It seems the dealer requested not put his contact no. on display.

[AK49]

Dear mod,

How do you access thumbs down icon if you want to express your dislike. It only appears after you have clicked the thumbs up icon.

[SriramK]

Dear mod,

How do you access thumbs down icon if you want to express your dislike. It only appears after you have clicked the thumbs up icon.

Hi Sir,
The thumbs down is not for disliking a post, but to "un-thank" a post you have thanked. Having a thumbs-down might open up the forum to a lot of negative attitude from people giving a thumb-down to people they dislike irrespective of the content of the post. Current all people can do is either like what's posted, or refrain from showing dislike. If they do need to express dislike, they need to quote and state why they dislike it.
I for one sometimes wish there was a thumbs-down, but in the larger context of the whole forum, I think a "like-or-refrain" attitude would do us better But that's just my opinion

[Frosty]

I got Orion in .22 calibre, and for me it shoots really well, if you ask about groupings, then it is'nt expected to be used in competitions(.177 domain only), but i got 1.5 inch groups in free standing position from 10m. It is not exactly a power house, but i believe its right on Mfg specs for 600 + fps in .22, but boy i am glad that i bought it i was lucky enough to buy when it used to cost 8800 bucks on aimco, the best part is smooth and light cocking, i can spend nearly 100 shots over it whenever i take it out for plinking with out getting tired. I really thank the mfg for bringing a descent product at affordable pricing.

Regards
frosty

[essdee1972]

I got Orion in .22 calibre, and for me it shoots really well, if you ask about groupings, then it is'nt expected to be used in competitions(.177 domain only), but i got 1.5 inch groups in free standing position from 10m. It is not exactly a power house, but i believe its right on Mfg specs for 600 + fps in .22, but boy i am glad that i bought it i was lucky enough to buy when it used to cost 8800 bucks on aimco, the best part is smooth and light cocking, i can spend nearly 100 shots over it whenever i take it out for plinking with out getting tired. I really thank the mfg for bringing a descent product at affordable pricing.

Exactly! "Decent product, affordable pricing". Better VFM than the existing market offerings!

Reminds me of a little red car which shook the country up, way back in 1984. The situation was nearly the same as it is for airguns now...... Virtual monopolies ruling the roost with overpriced substandard products. Only the uppermost crust able to afford decent quality imports, that too under a highly restrictive ForEx regime, and a million checks. Then came a little car, named after the God of Wind......... rather shoddy initial models (I knew a guy who ran into a stationary first model Maruti 800 with a bicycle, denting the Maruti door!), poor fit & finish (in 1984), compared to the imported stuff. But this little car heralded India's largest selling car manufacturer, and made true the dreams of the middle class to own cars.

And what about the monopolies who ruled earlier? One of them gets by with government deals for red-light cars (i.e. VIP cars, no pun intended), the other has gone under!

Any competition is good for a consumer (now, don't get me started on the FDI debate, not on this forum!).

(And before I get accused, I don't have shares in Maruti Suzuki Limited or the parent company or any of its subsidiaries, vendors, succcessors, whatevers. I do own a Maruti Wagon R, but I primarily drive a Tata car, and hate going to a Maruti service station....... ! I also do not have any connection with Precihole except as a consumer.)

[Big Daddy]

One thing I must say is that though there is a lot of mud slinging, the wording and framing of sentences / statements is interesting.
I have also been keeping a close eye on PH. We know there was a great hype on the AR and then baaammm!!! accusations, slander (if I may use that word) etc.
I am waiting for sales to resume at Aimco to order one and check it out against my 3 existing AR's, which are well tuned.
I would not judge a product as 'bad' on a few complaints. To know if the product is not wort it, I guess, depends on 2 things.
1) Knowing the statistics. What is the % of defective pieces? After sales service levels. Which of the 3 P's does the problem lie in most (Process / Product / People- Human error).
2) Time and patience.

I will hate a product if I do not get post sale support from it's manufacturer / authorized dealer.
I have headed a department in a reputed car manufacturing facility and I can tell you that for ever product, (even if a particular part of that car was directly imported from the most reputed manufacturer in Germany), there is an acceptable % of failure, perhaps close to negligible BUT NOT NEGLIGIBLE.

So if i had a PH and it 'flunked', it would not conclude that the brand is a disaster until i know that most AR's of that manufacturer is a flop.

Now, I ain't no ambassador of PH nor against it, but let's face it......time will tell who shot his own tail.

And BTW...airgun_novice, a few days without having the need to access the internet....maaaaaan I envy you ! ! ! Enjoy your trip.

[pratik_mahale]

Yesterday I gone to PH factory to chrono my Pegasus plus to calibrate my won chronograph
Till now I have shot more then 2250 pellets from it so my Pegasus is break-in

We used CB-625 MK4 compact chronograph

We started with Master Shot Flat head (Yellow) 7.9 Grain (don’t know the perfect weight) with normally pushing pellets in the barrel then we use my stereo Pin as a pellet setter for next few pellets

------------------------------------------- Normal---------------With Pellet Setter
Master shot Yellow 7.9 grain----- 770 fps --10.40 ft-lbs-------796 fps-- 11.12 ft-lbs
JSB Exact 8.44 grain-------------- 773 fps --11.20 ft-lbs-------760 fps-- 10.83 ft-lbs
JSB Exact-RS 7.33 grain---------- 813 fps --10.76 ft-lbs-----------------------------
RWS Diabolo 7 grain-------------- 808 fps --10.15 ft-lbs-------830 fps-- 10.71 ft-lbs


You can see the most heavy pellets is JSB Exact 8.44 grain but it is performing better then others & fits perfectly in the breech

I want to check the grouping also by fixing the air rifle in bench vise but drop the idea because it may disturb the air rifle final checking process which was more important.

will try some other time