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Re: powerful airguns

Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:34 pm

First, One of the most common myths is that Napoleon ordered the hanging of anyone in possession of an airgun. The late Arne Hoff, famed arms historian and curator of the Royal Danish Arsenal, and others, have commented that this story, told as the “eye witness” war experience of French General Mortier, has now been quite thoroughly refuted (Baer, 1973). This story may have grown from the fact that many towns, fearing these unfamiliar, terrifying guns - even without any negative incidents, banned airguns. A death penalty was common for many offenses, so it is possible that some airgunners were put to death. One story relates that the city fathers had a gunsmith, who knew how to make airguns, blinded!
There is no mention of Baer's irrefutable proof. The rest is mere supposition. Whilst the above may be true, it is far from convincing.
Second, apparently there never was any incident of the air rifles being used against Napoleon’s troops.
Not quite sure about this either. I vaguely recall a reference to airguns in Emil Ludwig's biography on Napoleon.
Third, it is often related that these guns were silent. A number of city, and other governmental decrees of the 1800s, made the guns illegal, often largely on this basis. I can state from personal firing of a fully-charged museum copy of the Girandoni military air rifle that the discharge sound is quite audible, though by no means as loud as a similar large bore flintlock firearm. However, the fact the guns discharge without smoke or muzzle/pan flash does make locating the position of someone firing such a gun much more difficult. (Modern note: Powerful, modern, silenced, 9mm PCP airguns are being used by U.S. Seals in Iraq to snipe at insurgents. Firing an M-16 at dawn or dusk could attract a lot of return fire to the flash point.)


I have never heard of anyone claiming that PCPs are silent. Infact, I find that they are noisier than spring-piston airguns for the same power level. I am refering to 12 ft.lbs. airguns and not the more powerful ones and obviously sans moderators. As you have quoted, it was their smokeless property that was supposedly the reason for Napoleon's order.

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Re: powerful airguns

Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:41 pm

mehulkamdar";p="13887 wrote:There is too much humbug going around about ultra high powered air rifles being vastly more powerful then firearms
That's news to me. Where have you read this?

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Re: powerful airguns

Post by mehulkamdar » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:38 pm

Mack The Knife Bana";p="13901 wrote:
mehulkamdar";p="13887 wrote:There is too much humbug going around about ultra high powered air rifles being vastly more powerful then firearms
That's news to me. Where have you read this?

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If you want a resource on these very forums ask Steyrshot. Or, better yet, look for some of his posts on the subject. :wink:

If you want to know where he most likely got this crap from, there is a British group called Snowdrop that has long led a campaign to ban airguns. These are the same lot who managed to get John Major and Turdy Blair to ban handguns. They have sent videos on this subject to India and it was their videos that led Maneka to try to get air rifles banned some years ago - for once the woman failed.

And, if you want a proper history on the subject, unbiased and from an authority on guns, buy a copy of Pollard's History of Firearms. I would not take Emil Ludwig as an authority - more an Irving Stone predecessor in writing fictionalised accounts of history. Ed and Toshiko Beeman were among the foremost 20th century researchers in airguns of all types and they built up a multimillion dollar collection of airguns. I would any day take their research, based as it is on their vast collection, than on that of a novelist who happened to be an amateur historian.

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Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:09 pm

Mehul,

If you have Pollard's book handy or could borrow one, could you scan and post the relevant bit here?

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Re: powerful airguns

Post by Sujay » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:15 pm

mehulkamdar";p="13904 wrote:
If you want a resource on these very forums ask Steyrshot. Or, better yet, look for some of his posts on the subject. :wink:

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Steyrshot was emphasising about the accuracy, build quality etc of airguns. He , IIRC never tried to establish the power ...
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Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:26 pm

Sujay,

Let's not bring up that old chestnut again.

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P.S.: For the record, he was harping about the power.

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Post by shahid » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:45 am

Fantastic link. Plenty of Air gunning trivia in there. Made informative reading.

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Re: powerful airguns

Post by TC » Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:39 pm

Abhijeet, thanks a ton for the Link. That was really very helpful.

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