Indians For Guns

A 2 Bore that looks like an O/U.

I think I will stick with my pea shooters.

It's a 4 Bore SXS rifle.Not a shotgun.

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Man, what recoil. I hope these come with free trip to doctor services.

Is that old gentleman alive after that hit??

Regards

High recoil can detach retina's as well as break your collar bone.

By Jove . What recoil.
MoA. I thought the guy firing the 2 bore did rather well.....considering the recoil.
Vikram. That was entertaining, and yes m24 I too felt sorry for the old man.

and here's some Math.
"I think I will stick to my point two two."
Will remind me of the 2 bore and also 2+2=4 bore. LOL

MoA wrote:High recoil can detach retina's as well as break your collar bone.

No point intimidating fellow members with posts like these. That happens to flinchers and chaps who don't know how to hold heavy recoiling firearms.

One common mistake when firing a heavy recoiling rifle is to mount it too low on your shoulder. It should be mounted higher. You should stand with your feet shoulder width apart put weight on your front foot and lean into the rifle. This gives your upper body the chance to absorb the recoil. Balance the rifle by shifting weight of rifle between your hand and the point where rifle feels lightest. This is the point your looking for. Then lock your elbow and everything should be smooth.

Also grip the rifle like a man and do not flinch. Remember these are created by men for the men to shoot as shoulder mounted firearms, so, if properly handled,there’s no such thing as a recoil that a man cannot take, regardless of his shape and size. Anyone can shoot any kind of rifle. But if someone still lacks the fortitude, he should stick to pea shooters and leave big bores to "The Men".

My sincere advice my friend would be encourage our fellow members and readers rather than discouraging them

Just because this following person doesn't know how to shoot does that mean everyone else should refrain from shooting their regular shotguns because a recoil like that can hurt you?
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Here’s Nick Holt (Owner of Holt auctioneers) and the gang shooting 2 bore. Why doesn't it look too bad? Because they know how to shoot that sort of gun.
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Thanks for the lesson, Bespoke. Really do. But that doesn't give you the license to take an unnecessary dig at a fellow member. Please refrain henceforth.

Regards

m24,
No offence meant. I wasn't taking a dig but merely expressing how important I feel it is to encourage rather than discourage people. But then I'm an optimist. What you wrote sounds like an order. I'm always willing to take advice but orders aren't my cup of tea.

I never ever say 'Please' with my orders, Bespoke.

Regards

In that case advice taken my friend

Bespoke wrote:

MoA wrote:High recoil can detach retina's as well as break your collar bone.

No point intimidating fellow members with posts like these. That happens to flinchers and chaps who don't know how to hold heavy recoiling firearms.

One common mistake when firing a heavy recoiling rifle is to mount it too low on your shoulder. It should be mounted higher. You should stand with your feet shoulder width apart put weight on your front foot and lean into the rifle. This gives your upper body the chance to absorb the recoil. Balance the rifle by shifting weight of rifle between your hand and the point where rifle feels lightest. This is the point your looking for. Then lock your elbow and everything should be smooth.

Also grip the rifle like a man and do not flinch. Remember these are created by men for the men to shoot as shoulder mounted firearms, so, if properly handled,there’s no such thing as a recoil that a man cannot take, regardless of his shape and size. Anyone can shoot any kind of rifle. But if someone still lacks the fortitude, he should stick to pea shooters and leave big bores to "The Men".

My sincere advice my friend would be encourage our fellow members and readers rather than discouraging them

You can develop a flinch with any caliber. Shoot enough and I can pretty much guarantee you will develop one with a high recoiling caliber. Also please tone down your macho crap. Having a couple of cupboard queens does not make a shooter.
As for encouraging people to shoot, I do. I also advise them to start with weapons they know how to handle, rather than the biggest possible weapon they can lay their hands on. Feel free to attend one of the classes I run for children at my club.

MoA wrote: You can develop a flinch with any caliber. Shoot enough and I can pretty much guarantee you will develop one with a high recoiling caliber.

Anyone who knows anything about shooting any kind of firearms and has a sensible head on his shoulders knows that the flinch decreases with time and practice not the other way round..

Special note for upcoming shooters from Mr MoA
"Please don't shoot too much for coming competitions or you will develop a flinch"

MoA wrote:Also please tone down your macho crap

Oh.... How I miss the times"When men were men"

MoA wrote:As for encouraging people to shoot, I do.

I can see that

MoA wrote:I also advise them to start with weapons they know how to handle, rather than the biggest possible weapon they can lay their hands on

Good advice exactly what my folks taught me when i was 3

MoA wrote:Feel free to attend one of the classes I run for children at my club.

No offence but buddy guy who blows up barrel every year and wants to shoot in Africa with 50 BMG ,I will keep kids at safe distance from him and BTW Mr Coach if you ever gather enough moxie and get down to try and shoot Big bore please refer to my post above it will come handy.

You can develop a flinch with any caliber. Shoot enough and I can pretty much guarantee you will develop one

Feel free to attend one of the classes I run for children at my club.

Bespoke wrote: Anyone who knows anything about shooting any kind of firearms and has a sensible head on his shoulders knows that the flinch decreases with time and practice not the other way round..

Special note for upcoming shooters from Mr MoA
"Please don't shoot too much for coming competitions or you will develop a flinch"

Oh.... How I miss the times"When men were men"


I can see that


Good advice exactly what my folks taught me when i was 3

No offence but buddy guy who blows up barrel every year and wants to shoot in Africa with 50 BMG ,I will keep kids at safe distance from him and BTW Mr Coach if you ever gather enough moxie and get down to try and shoot Big bore please refer to my post above it will come handy.

A flinch can be induced by a number of factors other than recoil. Anyone who has shot a lot, at some point has developed one. And a Flinch doesnt magically vanish, you ahve to work at getting rid of it once developed.

As for hunting in Africa, when have I ever said I wanted to hunt in africa? I dont hunt animals, what you have misinterpreted as usual was banter between me and someone on the forum. As for shooting big bore's I have shot my share of of them, including the .338 Lapua Magnum and .50 BMG quite a bit. It bored me completely at ranges under 800 meters. Plus I dont have masochistic tendencies.

Anyone can shoot from behind a keyboard. I need to head to range right now.

Guys,

I have to go with MOA on this one.

MOA actually speaks at a higher wavelength than us and its easy to misunderstand him or misinterpret his words.

This has happened a lot to me and though i dont consider others as silly as me, i think this is happening again.

What MOA means by flinch is not the 'fear of recoil' but the slightest involuntary movement while firing (ok i know i can improve on the definition).

The fear of recoil flinch will go away with more firing but the flinch due to bad technique/ bad form or other 1001 things might creep up at some time or the other.

When he said that shoot a lot and one will develop a flinch doesnt mean that shooting causes flinching but that statistically, the more one does anything, the more the chances of doing it wrongly increase (in a shooters case, flinching).

Take a driver for example. We all know that the more you drive, the better you get but the odds for having an accident also increase.
So for example one has more chances of having an accident if he were to drive a million miles than someone who has to drive 10 miles.

Or better still take cricket.

Who has more chances of getting out on a duck? someone who plays one match or one with 300 caps?
Shouldnt playing 300 matches make you immune to getting out on a duck?

MOA guruji, please explain your points in the future.