Indians For Guns

is acknowledged by Indian Governement.

In the pervert directive given by Union Home Ministry ( if true), arms licences are supposed to be given to certain
sections to protect their self and property and as an icing on cake, licences of their perceived tormentors , along with their servants, relatives and employees ( yes, employees) also are to be cancelled.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/node/113293

What a travesty,what a tragedy. And to think that I always admired his erudition, him being an intellectual and an expert lawyer.But, hey, he is first and foremost a bent politician now.

On one hand they recognise the right to protection and take it away with the other? Whatever happened to rule of law, equal protection before law , and individual rights and responsibilities. Everything has to boil down to politicking and not to principles.


Best-
Vikram

The Home Ministry,it seems, is talking of a civil war in which one group will be armed by the state in terms of allowing them to keep arms and the other disarmed. Scary.

I am sure the idea of handing over the 'confiscated' arms of one group to the other has crossed the mind of some babu.

What are the odds of the people disarmed getting hold of illegal arms to make it a level playing field? But I guess they have already thought of that.Kindly refer to the part about seizing illegal arms.

And how about this "externment of persons likely to commit atrocity" . It is a draconian law which will be supported by all the johlawallahs. How is the MHA going to ensure that once the discriminated get hold of arms and their oppressors are disarmed,they do not become the oppressors themselves?

The Home Ministry seems to be run by NGO's these days. Look at it's stand on AFSPA,proposed amendment to the Arms Act and now this. It will be day to celebrate when the current incumbent leaves office.The cure seems to be worse than the disease.

The Home Ministry,it seems, is talking of a civil war in which one group will be armed by the state in terms of allowing them to keep arms and the other disarmed. Scary.

If one reads Section 41 of Arms Act 1959, it appears Parliament has already delegated this power(to arm/disarm particular class of persons) to MHA. It needs to be seen if the Parliament was legally competent to do so or acted ultra vires. Unless this matter is taken up in court in a proper manner to convince that this is utra vires, till then MHA will use this power as a political tool.

winnie_the_pooh wrote:The Home Ministry,it seems, is talking of a civil war in which one group will be armed by the state in terms of allowing them to keep arms and the other disarmed. Scary.

I am sure the idea of handing over the 'confiscated' arms of one group to the other has crossed the mind of some babu.

What are the odds of the people disarmed getting hold of illegal arms to make it a level playing field? But I guess they have already thought of that.Kindly refer to the part about seizing illegal arms.

And how about this "externment of persons likely to commit atrocity" . It is a draconian law which will be supported by all the johlawallahs. How is the MHA going to ensure that once the discriminated get hold of arms and their oppressors are disarmed,they do not become the oppressors themselves?

The Home Ministry seems to be run by NGO's these days. Look at it's stand on AFSPA,proposed amendment to the Arms Act and now this. It will be day to celebrate when the current incumbent leaves office.The cure seems to be worse than the disease.

Winnie,

You make excellent points.Whether these policies come into fruition or not, the implications they can potentially have are as you envision.Scary and it seems like a slippery slope than a move towards saner laws.

Best-
Vikram

If someone have the official copy of this instruction or the link?

winnie_the_pooh wrote:The Home Ministry,it seems, is talking of a civil war in which one group will be armed by the state in terms of allowing them to keep arms and the other disarmed. Scary.

The Home Ministry seems to be run by NGO's these days. Look at it's stand on AFSPA,proposed amendment to the Arms Act and now this. It will be day to celebrate when the current incumbent leaves office.The cure seems to be worse than the disease.

SCARY? Yes it is.

Governments are not sovereign anymore. They have to win elections. (India spends, both officially and unofficially, more than any other nation on elections). "Follow the money".

Soon we will reach a situation where firearms will be legalized only for the government Forces and private militia... and those who puppeteer the government will control that armed force. We know who they are. They care not which political affiliation comes to power and it does not matter who sits in what office. The governments are only a notch up from bottom in the Power Pyramid and this Pyramid goes way up.

It does not suit the plans of those Powerful Puppeteers to give away indiscriminate RKBA. And they will not.

Coming to this specific issue... well I don't feel it will materialize on the ground.

Regards...

Goodboy Mentor,

It seems that the actions to be taken are already provided in the Scheduled Castes and Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989.

Cancellation of arms licences in the areas identified where an atrocity may take place or has taken place (Rule 3iii)

Grant arms licences to SCs and STs (Rule 3v).

The HM may be instructing strongly and afresh; to the states to implement the above provisions.